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Old 04-03-2013, 11:17 PM   #11 (permalink)
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From what I can gather here is that women should be conservative (also states that both women and men should be so in the Qu'ran), not what they should wear. It doesn't say anywhere that women have to wear hijabs. Veil in Arabic means "what separates man from the world and God." That interpretation seems a little off. Women in the Quran wore veils, doesn't say every woman should.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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From what I can gather here is that women should be conservative (also states that both women and men should be so in the Qu'ran), not what they should wear. It doesn't say anywhere that women have to wear hijabs. Veil in Arabic means "what separates man from the world and God." That interpretation seems a little off. Women in the Quran wore veils, doesn't say every woman should.
Fair enough. The point I was illustrating was that the Qua'ran does speak specifically to how women should dress, so when paired with the other bits about women being inferior/less intelligent it's not a stretch to see why it has become tradition to expect or demand a certain dress code of them.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:41 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Fair enough. The point I was illustrating was that the Qua'ran does speak specifically to how women should dress, so when paired with the other bits about women being inferior/less intelligent it's not a stretch to see why it has become tradition to expect or demand a certain dress code of them.
Just to add a point for consideration about Sahih. His profound interpretations are based on collective traditions which then he corresponds with religion. Again the point about tradition. He only really brings a certain contrast. Qu'ran is mostly a basis of God and humanity. And Sahih isn't worshipped by all Muslims.

Sorry but I don't remember studying in Islam school anything in the Qu'ran about wife-beating. Sahih however interpreted it as another figure entirely mostly as certain instructions to deal with the religion.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Gosh, still with the Islamophobia nonsense? Tsk Tsk. I wonder who has a more difficult time in discriminating (to use the word in a proper context) between Islam and human beings...surely not the writer of that pseudo-apologetic, vainly cerebral and largely devoid of a link from his premise to the accusation article? He is welcomed to try and criticize but I cannot foresee the criticism of Islam diminishing in any way. And lets face it, even the smallest criticism will include disclaiming bold assertions made by the faith. So, either people like the writer of that article get used to it, or have criticism of Islam prohibited (which is an impossibility.) No such thing as a 'soft-ball' or 'constructive' criticism is to be found...
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I think there are kooks in every religion. Islam is probably just an easy target to polarise an audience and get some cheap publicity. As for new atheists they often seem to be just as fanatical as the religions they criticise.
I would imagine even Alla- thinks Islam is a dangerous religion, as is any fanaticism. 'There is no compulsion in religion', She said He said. As for extremism, I believe She said He said, 'Do not exceed the limits; Alla- does not love those who exceed the limits'. 'You shall not kill yourself', She said He said. And, killing even one person is as if you killed the whole human race. She said He said Mohammad said, even unto the atheists, 'act according to your state, and wait; we too are among those who wait'

And, new Atheists are just obstinate. I don't think they would strap a bomb to their chest and blow anyone up for their non-beliefs And, the reason most people convert to Islam is the fact that once you read that book, there is no turning back, because it is crystal clear communication! But, it is still second and third-hand news, so, you have to separate the wheat from the tares in that book as well. The Hadiths and Sharia are the ingredients thrown in that has caused the ruckus. Obama said Islam was a big part in the founding of this country. Yep. 'To Alla- belong the east and the west'. As in the Vatican and Istanbul (not Constantinople)
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:12 PM   #16 (permalink)
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wolverinewolfweiselpigeon wrote:

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Qua'ran 24:31

Qua'ran 33:59
The dress code did not call for head to toe covering. It was meant to address women to dress modestly, and, not show all t & a. Why? So, men would not google at them!


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Qua'ran 4:34
Yeah. This does mention lightly beating a contentious wife; and, I do have a problem with this verse. But, it does not begin with 'Say'; so, it would be questionable whether or not this was put in there with a man's hand.


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Qua'ran 65:4
I believe that addresses menopause, and, not sex with young girls. Read it from several different interpretations, and, I think you'll agree.

And from Sahih al-Bukhari:

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Women are deficient in intelligence
Vol. 2, Book 24, No. 541:

Vol. 3, Book 48, No. 826
Men do have more brain cells than women. They just don't use them. I believe Mohammad's 'Celebrated Sermon' called for better treatment of women, but, men have selective hearing.

You never hear Obama mention that little ditty that also called for the abolition of usery (interest), and vendettas of private justice. and, to prevent the accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few. I'd like to see him put his hand on that book and swear to uphold all his promises! It would burn it up in a New York second!
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Gee that's not inflammatory in any way. /sarcasm (I mean the video not your response).
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I think there are kooks in every religion. Islam is probably just an easy target to polarise an audience and get some cheap publicity. As for new atheists they often seem to be just as fanatical as the religions they criticise.
Extremism in Islam is due to misinterpretation of the book; and, Jihad as it applies to a 'holy war'. These errant beliefs have been handed down probably since the crusades. The so-called martyrs who strap the ammo and blow themselves, and, anything, and everyone they can are in for a shock n awe. Shekinah to the Jews

I dare use the name, alla- (no parasitic h, She replies) does not care for the extremists whatsoever. 'To Alla- belongs the east and the west'. That would be Istanbul (not Constantinople), and, the Vatican. Mecca and Medinah evidently belong to the 'open enemy'. They run around throwing rocks, and kissing other rocks, so, it's a rock n roll festival

Someone should tell the infidels they are not 'fighting in the way of Alla-', and the five a day magic carpet ride is rather compulsive. 'There is no compulsion in religion'. And, the Mahdi, Jesus Jr., the Dajjal with the bulging right eye, and of course, Mr. Antichrist are predictions that cannot happen in the manner of which they have predicted in the various pukifications of the pundiots of the religious wrong. When it says 'far exalted is he above having a son', I think someone should mention the similes. But, say not three; DESIST! (it reads) It is (seriously) better for you. Or, the jinn, who ye might want to wage Jihad against, which is what it means. They live inside and outside of ye, and, ye breath them in and out, and they are good replicators; not recreation. It's recreation for them, as in fun.

Don't worry about the killing. The ones killed are the martyrs, and, the killers are up that proverbial sh(t creek, without a helper.

Atheists, go about your business; and, quit demanding that things be proven to you. Prove it yourself. It's not anyone's job to provide you the evidence; it's your job, so do it, and, you better be sure when you make the books and characters liars. Enlightenment, a.k.a. the resurrection is not an illusion. The world is an illusion, rather than the resurrection; which is not an illusion. Lest I rail at things to excess! It is attainable, and must be attained while in the flesh. It is fact. Have a nice day

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Sam Harris had posted this documentary on Facebook. I really enjoyed it.



His brother, who the whole documentary is based on, very recently got arrested for a terrorist plot.
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