Terrapin_Station

That's complete nonsense. No one is saying that they're nothing more than. That's simply the focus. No matter what you say about someone, there is some focus that's not the totality of them--as if you could talk about the totality of that person anyway.Where is the implication coming from in your view?

I'll tell you where it's coming from: assumptions on your part that probably have nothing whatsoever to do with what the person in question actually thinks.Morality is noncognitive. There aren't moral truths. No one said that people in general are likely to judge selected persons to be the best at properties that are different than the persons were were selected for. That doesn't mean that the selectors do not make selections based on all sorts of features that others might consider superfluous. I'd need to have a very different opinion of politicians in general to believe that it makes much of a difference who we put in office, especially when we're limited to choosing among Democrats and Republicans.

Lucem Ferre

No, he didn't out right say it but his comments imply it, and you should know that.

Well I'll tell ya...

Oh, so ironically you are going to make a statement that does exactly what you accuse me of doing.

I mean, yes, technically all we can do is assume what somebody thinks. There is a slight chance that the klan member that talks about hanging ******s all the time isn't really a racist.

But to answer your question because your answer doesn't suffice, my assumptions derive from the logical deduction I've made based on the context of his statements.

A predictable response. But I argue that morality comes from not wanting to cause pain or harm.

Which has literally nothing to do with what I said. You're just reaching to make a point here, but the point you make is irrelevant to me not wanting somebody in office that would put a woman in office solely based upon her looks.

So why are you here again? Just trying as hard as you can to challenge how people judge while ironically doing the same thing you criticize them for doing?

...but we're not.

Terrapin_Station

I know something about logic, so let's see your work. Can you spell the logical deduction out for us?

Lucem Ferre

I doubt that you do but...

So he is making commentary on the looks of women in an environment where sex appeal is not a qualifying factor. It's not just a quick compliment or something like that. It's a full on emphasis on the sex appeal of the female contestants. He did not give that same attention to the males. In that context it does imply that women are nothing more than sex appeal. It is ridiculous that it had to be explained to you.

Terrapin_Station

What's ridiculous is that you think your conclusion there has anything whatsoever to do with deductive logic. It doesn't.

Unfortunately I doubt you even have any idea how deductive validity is conventionally defined. You could look it up, of course, but I'd bet anything you not be able to explain it or relay the conventional implications of it with respect to something like the impetus for developing relevance logics.

Chula Vista

Interesting debate. He probably stopped the bleeding and fired up his base but there's no way he won over any of the undecided. He was very rude and not only kept interrupting her but also sparred with the female moderator pretty aggressively a number of times. The way he stalked the stage while she was talking was downright creepy and he wouldn't look any of the people on stage in their eyes. She was very engaging on a personal level when asked a question by one of them.

Him saying that if elected he's going to work to put Clinton in jail is not going to go over well in the coming days. The post debate commentators are already all over it. First, there has to be a complete division between the White House and any Federal Prosecutions. Secondly, a newly elected official who jails their opponent sound pretty damn dictator like.

Terrapin, do you have a wife or daughter(s)? If yes, how do they feel about that Trump tape?

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That first paragraph is so sad that it makes me want to punch myself in the face repeatedly.

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Exo

There are numerous issues with Trump during this debate and his demeanor, positioning, and whining are none if them. I dont really give a sh*t about those things when somebody is dodging questions about sexual assault, threatening to jail a political oponent, suggesting we team up with Russia, refusing to talk about his tax records, CLAIMING WE HAVE FALLEN BEHIND ON OUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS, displaying zero knowledge on what a Senator can and can't influence with a single vote, forgetting that Congress exists, and claiming that he not only disagrees with his running mate but also hasn't even fucking talked to him.

Again, I don't support Hillary, but I'm appalled at what I just witnessed during a presidential debate for the POTUS in 2016.

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Neapolitan

I think he meant team up with Russia to fight ISIS.

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I know exactly what he meant.

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