innerspaceboy

I wouldn’t say that socialist principles are against human nature. Quite the opposite, in fact. Just look at the massive wave of socialized tech that has emerged in the last 7 years.

Wired published a feature about it way back in 2009 titled, The New Socialism: Global Collectivist Society Is Coming Online. It mentions several great examples of what John Barlow called, “dot-communism” where thousands of users join their collaborative efforts for the empowerment of society rather than for profit. But the participatory numbers it cites have grown exponentially in the years since the article was published.

Here are some more recent stats on the state of this global collectivism:

• Creative Commons reached a new record with 1.1 billion licensed works in 2016
  
• The Linux Kernel took an estimated 6,193 years of effort (COCOMO model) starting with its first commit in February 2002 ending with its most recent commit 3 months ago.
  
• 234 million Redditors are living in their parents' basements
  
• LibreOffice has over 100 million users
  
• 500 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute
  
• 10 billion photos on Flickr are contributed and tagged with categories, labels, and keywords
  
• Wikipedia presently features 40 million articles in 293 languages resulting from the collaborative efforts of over 29 million users

The web is the new socialism.

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Mindfulness

hopefully some old worker of his shoots him in the back of the head during some rant or rally

Goofle

This isn't the most serious fact based "debunking", but it is funny and points out how stupid the video you posted is.

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rostasi

Spot on points that have been made many times before, but are reduced to less than 10 minutes. Good job! The rebuttal video: I couldn't make it past the first 5 minutes because, like usual, the straw man rears its ugly head a number of times. The "socialism kills" crowd love to use "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism" as the bugaboos for their argument - oh, and "the people asked for socialism, so this is what they got" canard that the guy in the rebuttal video began using is also incredibly disingenuous - and he may know this. Don't see anything funny with the rebuttal but I also can't take him seriously with his line of "reasoning." Does the guy in the first video really call himself a communist somewhere? He may be, but I didn't see this mentioned by him (?) Maybe it's because I haven't had any caffeine yet this morning. I'll have to search in more detail for that.

Goofle

He's an open communist. And I did say the vid I posted wasn't too great of a debunking, just posted because I recently watched it.

I was actually in the process of editing my post (removing the vid in the process) but thought maybe somebody might have watched it - which seems to be the case - so I will just keep it there.

But I will leave you with an argument for Capitalism that is more substantive:

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elphenor

Some of the great market classic thinkers imagined a world where everyone would be a self employed tradesmen

competition meant escape from the tyranny of monopolies and price gouging middlemen and yes taxes too

In this way I understand where they're coming from when they say "free market"

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elphenor

but any society that has a class system can not be truly libertarian

you're actually just trading Democracy for Private Oligarchy

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The Batlord

For all I poke fun at you we actually do agree on that.

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Lucem Ferre

I agree with elph on most things I just think he's d-bag about things.

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