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Frownland 05-09-2017 02:50 PM

I'm a little confused by what you mean. You think that the importance/rate of presidential tweets will grow? Or are you talking about respect for decorum...increasing? And both of these things because his fanbase is dwindling?

djchameleon 05-09-2017 03:47 PM

Oh snaps James Comey has been fired!

Frownland 05-09-2017 03:49 PM

I'm surprised he made it this long tbh. His attempts to sway the election were blatant.

Pet_Sounds 05-09-2017 03:51 PM

Interesting that it happened a day after the story broke saying that he might not have "told the whole truth" about the Clinton emails.

djchameleon 05-09-2017 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duga (Post 1833548)
Here's something I've been curious about...

Since Trump has no filter, loves to insult people, and has generally taken a giant dump on the generally accepted political etiquette, has this changed politics in the US for good? Is it now open season to straight up insult and demean your opponent? Will our future presidents be expected to personally tweet? Or do you think things will go back to "normal" once Trump is out?

I think our future presidents will still tweet to connect to the youth through social media but not to the extent that Trump does. It won't be personal tweets responding to events that happened that they don't like or things said about them

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833595)
My guess is that we'll see a return to form similar to what you describe here, except that attempts to crack social media will still be prevalent. I also see us abandoning pointless standards of presidential decorum (like the president taking a call from someone who our besties thinks is a big meanie or that the president MUST attend [x] event). As far as tweeting goes, I hope it fizzles out because of how often the media portrays tweets as presidential decrees that are on the same level as executive orders when they're just shitposts at heart that shouldn't be overanalyzed.

Trumps posts give an insight into his wild erratic behavior and they deserve to be analyzed because you can definitely figure out what he will be doing soon based on them. He also uses it to lie to the public while doing other things behind closed doors so it is a bit hard to pin down how accurate certain tweets are. I do realize that some of his tweets are just throw away comments that don't need to be highlighted but there is some good info in some of them.

Frownland 05-09-2017 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1833624)
Trumps posts give an insight into his wild erratic behavior and they deserve to be analyzed because you can definitely figure out what he will be doing soon based on them.

djchameleon - funniest MB member 2017.

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He also uses it to lie to the public while doing other things behind closed doors so it is a bit hard to pin down how accurate certain tweets are.
This is why it's such a good idea to not treat tweets like presidential decrees IMO.

OccultHawk 05-09-2017 05:44 PM

Comey fired

Holy ****

rostasi 05-09-2017 05:59 PM

Nixon deja vu...

DwnWthVwls 05-09-2017 06:22 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...amendment.html

Thank god he didn't follow through amending this.. Fuck you, religious organizations :D

It's not really a big deal or controversial, I'm just glad that basically, nothing changed.

Anteater 05-09-2017 07:10 PM

My guess is that Comey was fired because of his comments in regards to Fusion GPS. Now there's a fun rabbit hole to explore. :D

djchameleon 05-09-2017 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833626)


This is why it's such a good idea to not treat tweets like presidential decrees IMO.

All Trump tweets are not equal.

Chula Vista 05-09-2017 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833622)
I'm surprised he made it this long tbh. His attempts to sway the election were blatant.

Back when it happened Trump was praising the **** out of Comey for having the balls to come forward against Clinton. This is clearly an effort to hinder the FBI investigation into the Russian ties. And how was Sessions, who had to recluse himself from the investigation because of his own Russian ties, have a say in the matter?

If the director of the FBI can get fired how does that affect the effectiveness of anyone in the Bureau's motivation to speak out against the president?

Heads are exploding all over TV tonight.

This is huge. David Gregory was ready to jump out of his chair and strangle a GOP talking head who was saying it was all about Hillary.

Frownland 05-09-2017 08:40 PM

*recuse

I get your point though.

Key 05-09-2017 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1833624)
I think our future presidents will still tweet to connect to the youth through social media but not to the extent that Trump does. It won't be personal tweets responding to events that happened that they don't like or things said about them

Even though presidents have been using Twitter for several years. Not sure I get what point you're trying to make here.

The Batlord 05-09-2017 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833702)
*recuse

I get your point though.

I was gonna correct him but I figured he was doing it on purpose.

Exo 05-09-2017 08:51 PM

I'm all for political freedom and different points of view but when people start ignoring obvious realities, especially THIS OBVIOUS, it only screams to me that you either hate the opposing party so much that you're willing to put lives in danger, or you're too much of a pussy to admit you were wrong.

Trump fired Comey because he got tired of the investigation into his ties with Russia. It wasn't Hillary. If Trump really fired him because Comey spoke falsities in court then Sessions should be next and then Trump can resign himself.

Anteater 05-09-2017 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1833705)
Trump fired Comey because he got tired of the investigation into his ties with Russia. It wasn't Hillary. If Trump really fired him because Comey spoke falsities in court then Sessions should be next and then Trump can resign himself.

Very possible. Though the Dems should be celebrating since they were calling for Comey to be fired last year anyway. He was a useful idiot for Trump until he no longer was. Plus as I mentioned, he's not being completely forthcoming on Fusion GPS or their ties to Russia. So there's several different narrative threads that need to be resolved. Heads on both sides of the ideological aisle will be rolling very soon. And Trump's may very well be among them.

Chula Vista 05-09-2017 09:03 PM


Exo 05-09-2017 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1833707)
Very possible. Though the Dems should be celebrating since they were calling for Comey to be fired last year anyway. He was a useful idiot for Trump until he no longer was. Plus as I mentioned, he's not being completely forthcoming on Fusion GPS or their ties to Russia. So there's several different narrative threads that need to be resolved. Heads on both sides of the ideological aisle will be rolling very soon. And Trump's may very well be among them.

At least you're seeing it for what it is. I don't like Comey. I just don't like Nixon-esque bullsh*t that Trump is pulling even more.

Chula Vista 05-09-2017 09:30 PM

1. Damn, Comey is one huge dude. Would be cool if he and Trump could bump into each other mano y mano in a parking lot someday.

2. We have to build a wall to keep America safe. Oh, and by the way, let's fire the director of the FBI with no notice, and no successor lined up.


:D

Frownland 05-09-2017 09:56 PM

Oh ****, I'm gonna give Donald a call. Get my name in the hat. I'm down to be a sellout like that. These student loans are ****ing me up and I took a criminal justice course once.

Chula Vista 05-09-2017 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833713)
Oh ****, I'm gonna give Donald a call. Get my name in the hat. I'm down to be a sellout like that. These student loans are ****ing me up and I took a criminal justice course once.

I'm in too. I use to watch Dragnet.


Mindfulness 05-10-2017 05:44 AM

he fired the fbi director because he was scared.
put the tweet on his twitter safespace homepage because he was scared.

i want to see someone take him out and then the elf get replaced.

Trollheart 05-10-2017 07:45 AM

Knowing nothing really about American politics I want to ask a serious question: has, in the history of the presidency, any incoming president fired so many of his appointees (or had them resign) before? It seems a little like Night of the Long Knives or that time when Saddam Hussein seized power in Iraq!

duga 05-10-2017 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1833775)
Knowing nothing really about American politics I want to ask a serious question: has, in the history of the presidency, any incoming president fired so many of his appointees (or had them resign) before? It seems a little like Night of the Long Knives or that time when Saddam Hussein seized power in Iraq!

The head of the FBI in particular was only fired one other time while Clinton was president. And then he was only fired because everyone was insisting he resign but he refused.

This is Trump's Saturday Night Massacre. He's flailing. One thing he clearly didn't think of - the FBI is incredibly loyal to Comey. And that's on top of the subpoenas that were issued for Flynn hours before he fired Comey.

This is a moment that will be in the history books. From here, we go one of two ways. One, republicans finally realize they need to get off the Trump train and there is bipartisan support for an independent investigation. Or, they continue to bury their heads in the sand, Trump realizes he truly can get away with anything he wants, and then it's officially Trumpland.

djchameleon 05-10-2017 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1833703)
Even though presidents have been using Twitter for several years. Not sure I get what point you're trying to make here.

And you see no difference between tweets from other Presidents and Trump?

Trumpland is fast approaching.

rostasi 05-10-2017 08:11 AM

Yes, even tho Nixon never fired his FBI director (even Nixon),
the firing of Archibald Cox (the special prosecutor)
involved the resignation of Bill Ruckelshaus and Elliot Richardson
stemming from what has been termed the Saturday Night Massacre.
This is why you are starting to see "Nixonian" used in descriptions.

(oh, I see Duga has mentioned some of this...)

Anteater 05-10-2017 08:22 AM

It was fun seeing a meme elected as president, but even the spiciest memes cannot live forever.

Frownland 05-10-2017 08:38 AM

Chris Christie Named New Director of FBI

Holy ****.

Janszoon 05-10-2017 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833790)

Damn you, Frownland.

rostasi 05-10-2017 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1833788)
Just gotta wonder how willing the GOP are to crash and burn with Trump

It's taking longer than I hoped but I figured this guy was their demise

Like a monster they've been feeding for 35 years

I'm thinking that 2018 may be more of an uplifting year for the country in some ways with some justice hopefully being served and a midterm election turnaround. How much this shows thru the body politic, it's a bit hazy, but one could hope and act in ways to hasten this.To keep it in Nixonian perspective, it took something like 9 or 10 months after the Saturday Night Massacre before we had the guy resign. Of course, we then had the bumbling Ford to contend with.

Chula Vista 05-10-2017 12:07 PM

Anyone catch this this morning?

Rex Tillerson formerly welcoming top Russian official Sergie Lavrov in front of the press this morning. As they both turn to walk away a reporter asks Tillerson loudly about the Comey firing. Lavrov looks startled then turns back and asks the reporter: He was fired? After being told yes he says: You're joking? Then looks kinda disgusted and walks away while shaking his head.

I assume he was on a plane all night and hadn't been told about it. Tillerson looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole and die.

rostasi 05-10-2017 12:25 PM

^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
2017 MB Award for most misinterpreted news posting.

Chula Vista 05-10-2017 12:29 PM

Ya, ya it was a joke. Just trying to be overly dramatic.

Trollheart 05-10-2017 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1833777)
It's not unprecedented no

But I can only think of one time where it wasn't a bad sign for the president and that's when general MacArthur was fired by Truman

Nixon hired a special investigator over Watergate and then promptly fired him, too funny

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1833779)
The head of the FBI in particular was only fired one other time while Clinton was president. And then he was only fired because everyone was insisting he resign but he refused.

This is Trump's Saturday Night Massacre. He's flailing. One thing he clearly didn't think of - the FBI is incredibly loyal to Comey. And that's on top of the subpoenas that were issued for Flynn hours before he fired Comey.

OK guys thanks for that. So is it true to say that in terms of numbers of people fired, replaced or resigning, there has been no precedent before such as this? In terms of actual numbers, and looking at how soon Trump is into his presidency at this point?
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This is a moment that will be in the history books. From here, we go one of two ways. One, republicans finally realize they need to get off the Trump train and there is bipartisan support for an independent investigation. Or, they continue to bury their heads in the sand, Trump realizes he truly can get away with anything he wants, and then it's officially Trumpland.
Bolded ftw I fear.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1833785)
It was fun seeing a meme elected as president, but even the spiciest memes cannot live forever.

No. No it was not. It was sad and terrible.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833790)

Jesus H Christmas! His previous opponent in the race for the presidency? :yikes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1833795)
I'm thinking that 2018 may be more of an uplifting year for the country in some ways with some justice hopefully being served and a midterm election turnaround. How much this shows thru the body politic, it's a bit hazy, but one could hope and act in ways to hasten this.To keep it in Nixonian perspective, it took something like 9 or 10 months after the Saturday Night Massacre before we had the guy resign. Of course, we then had the bumbling Ford to contend with.

One of whose first acts was to ****ing pardon the slippery ****. :banghead:

Frownland 05-10-2017 03:34 PM

Read the article I linked, it explains the situation pretty well.

Trollheart 05-10-2017 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833958)
Read the article I linked, it explains the situation pretty well.

You're one smart ****, aren't you? :) :clap: Bravo, man! ****-ing bra-vo! :clap: :bowdown:

rostasi 05-10-2017 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1833957)
One of whose first acts was to ****ing pardon the slippery ****. :banghead:

Yes, true - and you can expect the same from President Pence if impeachment/resignation were to happen again.

Trollheart 05-10-2017 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1833964)
Yes, true - and you can expect the same from President Pence if impeachment/resignation were to happen again.

The path is then clear: assassination is the only way to go.

Anteater 05-10-2017 05:43 PM

I'd say the Dems would like Pence a lot better than Trump at this point: at least he's got something resembling a track record in government and is possible to reason with.

...or we can just wait for The Rock.

The Independent.co UK - The Rock is seriously considering running for president


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