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Frownland 02-15-2017 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1805910)
Nothing. Border policies are not made to keep out specific people. They are made to keep out everyone unless they are approved to enter because they serve as a tool to keep that country's systems functioning. If Germany has open policy that's great, they either don't have enough people migrating to matter or they have systems in place to deal with it. We however do not, it's just that simple.

You're right that border policies aren't inherently racist. I still highly believe that the motivations for the wall are exclusively racist, which makes the wall racist too. Also, calling the wall border policy is a bit of a misnomer, isn't it? Since border policy is meant to have an actual effect on immigration, like the wall will fail to do in any kind of significant way?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 02-15-2017 06:37 PM

the whole trump rise has tricked canadians into thinking we shouldn't being taking in many immigrants either but unfortunately they're ignoring the fact that we'll end up severely under-populated without immigration.

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 06:39 PM

But the wall is already there.. You're acting like he's introducing something new. I don't know the history of the wall, but I'm curious to know if everyone cried racism when it was first built. I don't even know who built it.

I'll even concede to you that immigration from Mexico may not be as big of a problem it's made out to be. I'd have to do some research or you'd have to make a case, but the bottom line is: the wall is there to help prevent people from undermining border policies, and if he thinks that improving it would help prevent the undermining of those policies than it's not racist policy.

This argument is analogous to putting more cops in high crime areas to help restrict increasing crime rates, where crime is immigration and cops are the wall.

Frownland 02-15-2017 06:42 PM

The wall we currently have is a fence and the reason I said it won't be effective is because the majority of people illegally entering the country through Mexico tunnel their way in. A wall won't do zilch about tunnels (or ladders).

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 06:48 PM

I'm not for the wall and I agree it won't be effective. I'm debating if the idea of making it better is inherently racist (which is what everyone giving Ant shit are arguing). I said it's not and explained why, and I've yet to see anyone in this thread, currently or in past conversations, justify their claim that it is. It's just a bunch of Trump hating (totally understandable) without any logic.

Frownland 02-15-2017 06:52 PM

If you buy a dog for the use of attacking black people, is your dog racist?

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 06:54 PM

Who called out Obama for being racist when he signed a bill that spent 600 million to improve border security?

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1805908)
I think that Mexico's border policy is not racist because it is essentially nonexistent lol.

With a quick google search I found this:

Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home | Human Events

Time for both of us to do some fact checking. I wonder where you came up with that.

Frownland 02-15-2017 07:05 PM

I came up with that through my several experiences of going to Mexico with absolutely nothing stopping me and from friends of mine who are exclusively American citizens who routinely stay for months in Mexico. Not to mention that the punishment for it is still essentially zero: "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." Which in Mexico, means that you just have to bribe the cops 600 pesos (aka 60 dollars). They won't even deport you.

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 07:15 PM

General Population Law of Mexico translation:
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/d...0KOSLOWSKI.pdf

Your anecdotal evidence showing they don't deport Americans does not equal nonexistent immigration policies.. The US has a "problem" with Mexicans, Mexico has a "problem" with Central Americans..

https://www.wola.org/2015/05/border-...order-efforts/ - these are minors fleeing from bad situations and they are still being deported.


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