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OccultHawk 02-15-2017 07:19 PM

I don't think we have a problem with Mexicans. I don't think I've ever had one negative experience with a Mexican.

elphenor 02-15-2017 07:22 PM

We don't have a "problem" with Mexicans

People are not a problem

We're talking about a nation that is what it is because of immigration, it's our real identity and the white nationalists hate it

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 07:24 PM

If I wasn't clear that statement meant immigration, not the people themselves, but please feel free to continue trying to discredit me since you don't have an actual counter argument for the actual point I'm making.

Frownland 02-15-2017 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1805926)
General Population Law of Mexico translation:
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/d...0KOSLOWSKI.pdf

Your anecdotal evidence showing they don't deport Americans does not equal nonexistent immigration policies.. The US has a "problem" with Mexicans, Mexico has a "problem" with Central Americans..

https://www.wola.org/2015/05/border-...order-efforts/ - these are minors fleeing from bad situations and they are still being deported.

I change my answer to them being racist.

elphenor 02-15-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1805931)
If I wasn't clear that statement meant immigration, not the people themselves.

So what

Immigration of birds?

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 07:30 PM

I'll humor you one more time before I go back to ignoring you.. The problem is with the amount of people illegally immigrating from Mexico. There is nothing wrong with those people, the problem is with the quantity and the inability of our current systems to handle the affects immigration has on population management policy.

Trollheart 02-15-2017 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1805891)
Well for one muslim isn't a race.. and 2 there is already a fucking wall. He wants to bolster something that already exists to prevent a problem that the US has accepted as a problem for a long time. Just because he ran his campaign on it that had all the biggest pieces of shit in America flocking to him, doesn't make either of those policies racist in and of themselves. Do Mexico and Canada not have policies that prevent us from sneaking in and living there illegally?

You're just splitting hairs now. Sure, Muslims are not a race, but his policy is predicated on the (totally false) idea or fear that Muslims will be carrying bombs into the USA or are all arriving with the intention of committing terrorist acts. Gypsies aren't a race either, and though I hesitate to use the H word, it doesn't make Adolf not a racist that he targeted them along with Jews and other "inferiors".

Also, do you not consider the walls erected in Serbia, Hungary and other European countries to keep out the immigrants racist, because I certainly do. I don't see any real difference between that and this Mexican Wall. Whether there's one there or not is not the issue: the fact that he wants to expand it AND make them pay for the ****ing thing is not only racist but totally arrogant. I mean, back before 1990 would you have considered then East Germany racist if they had expanded the Berlin Wall, built it higher? Just because a bad thing is there already, doesn't make adding to it any less reprehensible.

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1805933)
I change my answer to them being racist.

Lol. I hate you. It's not racist you ass. You have to assess what your economy and social systems can handle. If an overwhelming amount of immigration is hurting a country it only makes sense to try and prevent it to better establish themselves.

To steal an analogy from someone:

You have 2 people. 1 is starving and the other has only enough food not to starve. Do you take food from the starving person? If you do neither will live. Yes, it's better to share the wealth, but not if you're making the situation worse for everyone instead of just one party. That's illogical.

How does the saying go? Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1805937)
You're just splitting hairs now. Sure, Muslims are not a race, but his policy is predicated on the (totally false) idea or fear that Muslims will be carrying bombs into the USA or are all arriving with the intention of committing terrorist acts. Gypsies aren't a race either, and though I hesitate to use the H word, it doesn't make Adolf not a racist that he targeted them along with Jews and other "inferiors".

Also, do you not consider the walls erected in Serbia, Hungary and other European countries to keep out the immigrants racist, because I certainly do. I don't see any real difference between that and this Mexican Wall. Whether there's one there or not is not the issue: the fact that he wants to expand it AND make them pay for the ****ing thing is not only racist but totally arrogant. I mean, back before 1990 would you have considered then East Germany racist if they had expanded the Berlin Wall, built it higher? Just because a bad thing is there already, doesn't make adding to it any less reprehensible.

Sorry Troll. Thank you for the response but I already addressed this in the convo I had since you posted your original comment. You can go back and read my arguments, and if you'd like to offer a counter point (that I have not considered) I'd be more than happy to talk it through with you.

elphenor 02-15-2017 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1805935)
The problem is with the amount of people illegally immigrating from Mexico. There is nothing wrong with those people, the problem is with the quantity and the inability of our current systems to handle the affects immigration has on population management policy.

Immigration from Mexico is on the decline and has been for years: Mexican Immigration Declining; More Are Returning Than Arriving : The Two-Way : NPR

We don't even have "population management policy" what kind of dystopian world are you living in

Lucem Ferre 02-15-2017 07:41 PM

I don't think illegal immigration makes nearly as much of an impact as people claim, but at the same time we have some of the most relaxed immigration laws of any 1st world country. I have a friend who was going to move to UK to be with his now wife. He was deported soon as he got off the plane. His wife moved here and is now working on her citizenship. Because it's easy.

We are built on immigration. Nobody wants people to stop immigrating. They just want them to do it legally. And for those that want people to do it legally, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I get how a lot of the immigration back lash comes from white racist nationalist trash, but not all. And those that are not racist have a good point. And it's not just white people that think people should be immigrating legally. For any dumb ass liberal that wants to make it into a race thing, shut the **** up because you give your party a bad name. And that's sad, because you are the better party.


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