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The Batlord 12-11-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781871)
Also the quality of education you receive varies wildly depending on which side of town you live

Everyone knew which school was the "bad school" when I was growing up
Going there meant the difference between going to college and going to prison

Totally, but that's not something I see changing at all. A refocus on working class vocational training is actually something that might be doable as I see it, and especially if targeted at those "bad schools".

Granted, I'm not an expert on education, but vocational training programs in high schools and programs targeted at giving students on a path to such jobs a bridge between high school and the workplace might not only be more workable, but would make more sense regardless of how much money was allocated to what school.

Sorry to say, but teaching calculus to inner city youths with likely no future at Harvard is probably a waste of our money and their time unless they show an ability and affinity for it. Teaching them how to weld is far more likely to benefit them.

elphenor 12-11-2016 04:01 PM

I agree with that

There needs to be more programs like the military where they accept and train anyone for a good job

Trollheart 12-11-2016 04:10 PM

Although we have a somewhat different system, I can identify with Ki by comparing this to childrens' allowance here. In Ireland, you get paid for your children a certain amount (don't have kids so don't know how much) regardless of your circumstances. So someone struggling with four kids on the dole (welfare) and no job gets the same benefit as someone who has two cars, two jobs and owns their own house. Doesn't seem fair. So if Ki is saying that, were he in that situation, and being the latter example, he would not take childrens' allowance, then I can understand that. They're meant to help you if you can't make it on your own, not be a supplement when you very easily can.

If I got that totally wrong bear in mind I'm a thick Irishman. :)

Key 12-11-2016 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1781908)
Although we have a somewhat different system, I can identify with Ki by comparing this to childrens' allowance here. In Ireland, you get paid for your children a certain amount (don't have kids so don't know how much) regardless of your circumstances. So someone struggling with four kids on the dole (welfare) and no job gets the same benefit as someone who has two cars, two jobs and owns their own house. Doesn't seem fair. So if Ki is saying that, were he in that situation, and being the latter example, he would not take childrens' allowance, then I can understand that. They're meant to help you if you can't make it on your own, not be a supplement when you very easily can.

If I got that totally wrong bear in mind I'm a thick Irishman. :)

Precisely what I'm getting at.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-11-2016 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1781908)
Although we have a somewhat different system, I can identify with Ki by comparing this to childrens' allowance here. In Ireland, you get paid for your children a certain amount (don't have kids so don't know how much) regardless of your circumstances. So someone struggling with four kids on the dole (welfare) and no job gets the same benefit as someone who has two cars, two jobs and owns their own house. Doesn't seem fair. So if Ki is saying that, were he in that situation, and being the latter example, he would not take childrens' allowance, then I can understand that. They're meant to help you if you can't make it on your own, not be a supplement when you very easily can.

If I got that totally wrong bear in mind I'm a thick Irishman. :)

we have child allowance here as well. i would rather see it vary on your income (so someone on the poverty line gets much more than someone well off) so that way they wouldn't need a welfare cheque as well.

djchameleon 12-11-2016 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1781882)
In this day and age, I suppose the only livable wage you could find is going to school and getting a degree. I'm not disputing that it's near impossible to find livable wage jobs. Personally it just doesn't seem like food stamps should be abused the way they are. They're far too accessible for people that don't need them. Same goes for unemployment.

My younger brother and his girlfriend use them and they go to school and work full time jobs. They live in a house together with 2 roommates so any expenses go toward EBT. That to me just doesn't feel right, but again, it's just a personal thing.

What do you consider a livable wage?

Maybe it's different in different states but you have to provide information about how much you make and if you are going to school. You also provide your social security. So if you end up lying to them and telling them something that isn't true then you are committing fraud and will be arrested when they do fraud sweeps which they do every once in awhile. Unemployment benefits are something that the employer pays into and I don't see that the same way as applying for food stamps/welfare. Unemployment is a good buffer to help you out after an employer fires you/get laid off/downsized while you are looking for another job. What your younger brother and his gf are doing is illegal if they lied about it and they will get locked up sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1781889)
I agree with that

There needs to be more programs like the military where they accept and train anyone for a good job

They have job corps that is focused more of trade skills. It's kind of similar to military school but it's usually for 18 years to like 25 I believe.

The Batlord 12-11-2016 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1781949)
They have job corps that is focused more of trade skills. It's kind of similar to military school but it's usually for 18 years to like 25 I believe.

Unfortunately job corps doesn't really seem to advertise. It would be amazing if high schools would steer students not on the fast track to college to job corps, but that just doesn't happen as far as I know.

Exo 12-11-2016 07:14 PM

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Mr Trump also said in the interview he did not need daily intelligence briefings.
"I'm a smart person, I don't need to be told the same thing in the same way for eight years."

Donald Trump rejects CIA Russia hacking report - BBC News
Oh man. This is hysterically horrifying.

djchameleon 12-11-2016 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1782046)
Oh man. This is hysterically horrifying.

He's so sure that he's going to be in for two terms.

Zhanteimi 12-11-2016 07:19 PM

There won't be another presidential election.

Chula Vista 12-11-2016 07:25 PM

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-11-2016 07:34 PM

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Lucem Ferre 12-11-2016 07:38 PM

I think one truth that a lot of lower class people don't want to admit is that most of them are only where they are because they put themselves there. Yeah, they work their asses off at their job, usually harder than most upper class people can fathom, but they never put the effort into getting themselves out. Dumb decisions and ****ty spending habits will forever keep certain people down.

Now the truth that upper class people don't want to admit is despite the fact that yes, you did have to work to get to where you are at, where you are at has much more to do with luck and being in the right place at the right time than any kind of work ethic that set you apart from the lower class people. Face it, if these people were put in the same place as many lower class people were they would get stuck too.

Of course there are always exceptions, but hey.

Oh, and as for taking advantage of the system for welfare and food stamps, it's pretty damn easy. People are always getting away with lying because they don't check up on it is often and strict as they say the do. I know, I've seen it happen. At the same time it does not happen nearly as often as people think. Most people that have admit to using these benefits are the people that used it for a short time when they needed it. And they didn't make it well known that they used it. In fact, a lot of people are embarrassed or ashamed of it. Something I noticed when discussing the topic before.

djchameleon 12-11-2016 07:54 PM

It might be easy in your area to get away with lying but I see it fairly regularly when they do round ups and end up arrested 30 to 35 people that were caught committing fraud.

Lucem Ferre 12-11-2016 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1782075)
It might be easy in your area to get away with lying but I see it fairly regularly when they do round ups and end up arrested 30 to 35 people that were caught committing fraud.

Like a drug raid? I hardly believe. Because remember that Old Dirty Bastard publicly cheated the system.

DwnWthVwls 12-11-2016 08:47 PM

Generally speaking, the only exception to the "environment rule" is people who live in high crime areas where the environment really does have drastic impact on decision making. Having crappy/drug addict parents is not a good excuse.

When you boil it down there are two mindsets (homeless, rich, poor, or middle class):

1) Make it, spend it, f*ck it, you only live once
2) Always put something aside just in case, the future matters

Anyone in category one is not someone I want to be supporting. Living beyond your means is not justification for being a mooch.

Key 12-11-2016 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1782050)
He's so sure that he's going to be in for two terms.

Almost as funny as the fact that he thinks he's going to be in one term.

Lucem Ferre 12-11-2016 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1782116)
Generally speaking, the only exception to the "environment rule" is people who live in high crime areas where the environment really does have drastic impact on decision making. Having crappy/drug addict parents is not a good excuse.

When you boil it down there are two mindsets (homeless, rich, poor, or middle class):

1) Make it, spend it, f*ck it, you only live once
2) Always put something aside just in case, the future matters

Anyone in category one is not someone I want to be supporting. Living beyond your means is not justification for being a mooch.

Nothing is ever that simple. People have to know this by now.

DwnWthVwls 12-11-2016 10:37 PM

It's a generalization.

If you have a 3rd, 4th, 5th group you think is worth mentioning then feel free, but in my 30 years life experience those 2 descriptions are pretty easily applied to everyone I've ever met.

Lucem Ferre 12-11-2016 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1782172)
It's a generalization.

If you have a 3rd, 4th, 5th group you think is worth mentioning then feel free, but in my 30 years life experience those 2 descriptions are pretty easily applied to everyone I've ever met.

No I just think there are varying degrees between the two.

djchameleon 12-12-2016 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1782096)
Like a drug raid? I hardly believe. Because remember that Old Dirty Bastard publicly cheated the system.

24 Orange County residents charged with welfare fraud - News - recordonline.com - Middletown, NY

This is a local paper. When I googled it to show you this article. It seems like they have an article like this every year but I feel like the sweeps happen more often than that. It just isn't as press worthy.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1782119)
Almost as funny as the fact that he thinks he's going to be in one term.

Not even close to the same thing.

Trollheart 12-12-2016 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1782067)

She won't be so happy when she's handling bills with Trump's face on them! "Hey man, can you change a fifty trump note?"
"Nah, I only got hundred trumps!" :laughing:
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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1782119)
Almost as funny as the fact that he thinks he's going to be in one term.

He'll abolish the office of President and set himself up as Lord Protector for Life or something.

Anteater 12-12-2016 11:48 PM

Tillerson is actually a rather interesting move for Secretary Of State. The guy literally crawled to the top of Exxon Mobil from pretty much nothing after all, which isn't something I can say for most of the entitlement-culture politicians we tend to get in these cabinet positions. He's nothing if not tenacious, and I can respect that.

His "ties" to Russia could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on what we do with it. Rex is the one holding the cards in their relationship (I'm assuming some of you are familiar with how he helped OAO Rosneft)...which is something we could be using as leverage if we want their cooperation in dealing with Saudi Arabia, ISIS, etc.

I don't take a moral stance on anything in regards to politics: as far as I'm concerned, we've never had a leader who hasn't fucked up in some fundamental way, including Bill Clinton and Obama. I'll be watching the next four years with great interest.

djchameleon 12-13-2016 05:51 AM

I really don't think Tillerson will be able to pass Senate Confirmation. I'm hearing that Rick Perry is being considered for Department of Energy. The same department that he has said in primary debates that he thinks should not exist. He's probably going to dismantle it from the inside out.

Come to think of it, a large majority of the seats being appointed are by people that are contradictory to the department they will be in charge of. They are pretty much going to be dismantling every single department from the inside out and doing the opposite of what the departments were creating for.

Also we don't need Tillerson's ties with Russia, We have Trump's ties with Russia already.


I have a question for the Trump fan boys/supporters that keep saying that he was talking more about policy than Hillary.

What's his foreign policy stance?

Trollheart 12-13-2016 10:08 AM

I'm not trying to be picky here, just to understand. Do you mean "he thinks should NOT exist"? Doesn't make much sense otherwise...

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1782538)
I really don't think Tillerson will be able to pass Senate Confirmation. I'm hearing that Rick Perry is being considered for Department of Energy. The same department that he has said in primary debates that he thinks should exist. He's probably going to dismantle it from the inside out.




Chula Vista 12-13-2016 10:50 AM

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Goofle 12-13-2016 04:13 PM

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vu....w529.h529.jpg

Bae's

Frownland 12-13-2016 04:15 PM

I think the Kanye story will be a good forecast of what a slow news day looks like for the next four years.

Goofle 12-13-2016 04:26 PM

Trump is already a better president than Obama.

Frownland 12-13-2016 04:29 PM

Obama can pose for pictures too bro

http://www.ourbloc.co/uploads/2/4/0/...058819.jpg?554

Goofle 12-13-2016 04:30 PM

Fake news photo op.

Key 12-13-2016 04:31 PM

Kanye smiles with Obama. Doesn't smile with Trump. Tell you everything you need to know.

Chula Vista 12-13-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1782756)
Obama can pose for pictures too bro

http://www.ourbloc.co/uploads/2/4/0/...058819.jpg?554

Plus he's taller and has huge hands.

Frownland 12-13-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1782759)
Fake news photo op.

I mean...

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1782740)


Goofle 12-13-2016 04:46 PM

I mean... http://truthuncensored.net/wp-conten...umpandflag.png

Frownland 12-13-2016 04:49 PM

Trump smiling = photo op?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 12-13-2016 04:50 PM

if Kanye were president who he would he pose with??

Frownland 12-13-2016 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1782774)
if Kanye were president who he would he pose with??

https://www.amazon.com/Kanye-West-Li.../dp/B00V6BEH0Q

Key 12-13-2016 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1782773)
Trump smiling = photo op?

Let's be honest, Trump will do anything to force the media to show him smiling.

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1782774)
if Kanye were president who he would he pose with??

Kim Kardashian.

Quote:

Kanye West has said previously that he would love to run for president in 2020, so what’s stopping him? Recently of course he’s been made a bit of a fool of himself in regards to his support for Donald Trump, but we can’t let that blind us from the reality. Kanye West as a figure in the White House would not only stir things up in politics, it would also open the eyes of Congress and the Senate and perhaps push them to take this country a bit more seriously. Kanye West is a lot like Donald Trump in the sense that he says what he wants and doesn’t let it take him over. However, in Kanye’s defense, he has a lot to gloat about, with being a fairly successful hip-hop artist and is an overall funny character. His interruption of Taylor Swift alone has given him enough credit to set foot into the White House.
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Don’t look at me like that; if a television celebrity like Donald Trump can win the election and hold office for four years, why can’t Kim Kardashian do it? Can you just imagine how it would go? Instead of the sexist and misogynistic attitude that we’re getting with Donald Trump, we’d instead get somebody who has nude photos across the internet. The best part about it being of course she’d finally have a reason to consider herself famous. Imagine if either Kim and Kanye won and both would be considered for each other’s Vice Presidents. The world would lose its freaking mind and it’d be the most hilarious election process the world has ever seen. Not only would Kim Kardashian not know what she was doing, but Kanye West would record an album based on the hilarity of the president’s job. I’d pay to see a reality TV show based on Kim K as president. Who wouldn’t? “Keeping Up With The Presidential Election” anyone?
15 Celebs Who NEED To Run For President In 2020 - TheRichest

Key 12-13-2016 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1782775)

:laughing:


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