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FRED HALE SR. 02-24-2017 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1808758)
And if your threat escalates the situation with a gun because they're expecting one?

Thats when you lay down your gun and start crying, just like the guy that brought a knife to a gun fight. Cause i'd rather not cause a conflict. :yeah:

FRED HALE SR. 02-24-2017 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1808759)
The reason urban areas overwhelmingly support stricter gun laws is because violence being made lethal is such a problem there

Where as in rural areas it's just like "Wtf why is this the govs problem"

Which kind of goes hand in hand with my argument for defending myself considering I live in an urban area.

The Batlord 02-24-2017 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1808758)
And if your threat escalates the situation with a gun because they're expecting one?

Then they'd have a gun and you wouldn't. Obviously guns aren't the answer to society's ills, and cause many problems simply by their existence, but I do not see the ability of a person to defend themselves with something that doesn't rely on physical strength or the ability to be within two feet of the other person to be something that should be taken away. If a dude three times your size enters your home intent on doing whatever the ****, then you're ****ed, but if someone with an AK-47 enters your home with the intent to do the same and all you've got is a Derringer, then it's still probably a stalemate.

Frownland 02-24-2017 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1808763)
Then they'd have a gun and you wouldn't. Obviously guns aren't the answer to society's ills, and cause many problems simply by their existence, but I do not see the ability of a person to defend themselves with something that doesn't rely on physical strength or the ability to be within two feet of the other person to be something that should be taken away. If a dude three times your size enters your home intent on doing whatever the ****, then you're ****ed, but if someone with an AK-47 enters your home with the intent to do the same and all you've got is a Derringer, then it's still probably a stalemate.

Non-lethal solution=taser

The Batlord 02-24-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1808760)
I think you need a better appreciation for statistics.. Good statistics are a great thing to make decisions based on, why you would be against that I don't understand.

Because it's politics. When you start allowing statistics to decide politics is when cherry-picked statistics by whatever party is in power or can best make their case are allowed to pass bull**** laws. You can prove any point with the right statistic, and the right statistic pretty much always exists. I'm not for ideology deciding politics, but something besides numbers is a good counterbalance.

FRED HALE SR. 02-24-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1808764)
Non-lethal solution=taser

Bringing a taser to a gun fight. Solution. :yeah:

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 02-24-2017 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1808765)
Because it's politics. When you start allowing statistics to decide politics is when cherry-picked statistics by whatever party is in power or can best make their case are allowed to pass bull**** laws. You can prove any point with the right statistic, and the right statistic pretty much always exists. I'm not for ideology deciding politics, but something besides numbers is a good counterbalance.

this is true. you can find stats for both sides of the arguement and sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture instead of just specific stats.

elphenor 02-24-2017 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1808762)
Which kind of goes hand in hand with my argument for defending myself considering I live in an urban area.

No the point is you wouldn't need a gun if there were proper regulations but rural voters don't need those regulations

elphenor 02-24-2017 04:32 PM

You make guns harder to get they become more expensive your average gang member can't afford one

DwnWthVwls 02-24-2017 04:32 PM

Taser disarms you faster.. You can fight through the pain of being shot and fire back.. You can't shoot back when your having involuntary convulsions.. aim is still the biggest factor.

If you suck at aiming your gun it doesn't make you any safer.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1808769)
You make guns harder to get they become more expensive your average gang member can't afford one

O jesus.. You can trade guns for drugs dude.. Gang members aren't getting legal guns. cmon now.


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