I really didnt though. Please wuote the post where I attacked you personally and was not addressing a broader point. There is obviously a break down in communication, i only ad hominem elph.

You are basically MB's Huffpost mouthpiece. Post the adult conversations that you've had in here that weren't childish insult fests.

I don't want to break the site's bandwidth by listing all of your stupid statements and I'm pretty sure that there's no way for me to say anything without you thinking it's pretentious. I'm sure you'll take these criticisms maturely (:laughing:) here's a couple of recent ones

Like your hilariously inaccurate perception of DWV
Or bringing this up as if it were a relevant point
I could go on but our history tells me that the stimulating conversation that this post will spark between me and you will be rich enough with intellectual curiosity and thoughtful reasoning to add more.

Thats partially true, but as the word implies not all topics have objective reasoning to support them.

It's a multi-faceted issue, and personal responsibility is one of many. Well, really we should discuss your usage of the word poverty, before I can stand behind that statement. If you're talking about the systematic history of inner city poverty I agree, but when we get into things like middle class families going bankrupt and unreasonable personal debt, I think my point holds true.

Can we all at least agree on the following:

1. Legal legistlations that allow the rich to not have to play fair are bad.

2. All poor people born into poverty simply can't bust their butts and, "poof" escape poverty. It's a shame a lot of folks think this way. You should be ashamed.

3. The rich and and finacially successful people are either intolerent, ignorant, or outright arrogant about the less fortunate in this country, and everything that led up to that being the norm.

4. ALL politicians suck. Pick your battles.

I don't think I've ever said anything that would make you think I didn't agree with those things. Though I'm somewhat hesitant to generalize as broadly as you did in point 3, I believe a majority fit that description.

I agree on 1 and 4 for sure. I agree with number 2 except for the "you should be ashamed part" because I have yet to see anybody post or imply that stance. I don't agree on number 3 because it's too black and white and pretty obviously false even though there is a lot of validity to that sentiment.

You seem to take up the position that because I made it through rough situations in life to get where I am then everyone else should be able to as well. It is very much an attitude of well I did it so anyone else that can't do it is because they aren't responsible enough and I disagree with that line of thinking. Yes some people do **** up in their lives but the whole bootstrap mentality that you are advocating for isn't beneficial for society as a whole.

Actually it is and you did not accurately describe my position. You seem to think that advocating for taking responsibility is the only thing i believe in. I thought i made that clear maybe you didnt read the entirety of the discussion or i did a poor job explaining (half my comments were half assed responses to elph so i could see how there might be confusion).

Edit: i can reitterate tomorrow, but tbh im in a pissy mood and on my phone so i really dont have the motivation to give you a better answer atm.

So instead of trying to fix the current safety nets that are in place to reduce the minor level of abuse that takes place. What do you propose be done instead?