No tool bag I personally agreed with a lot of his policies. First and last time I will vote .

Tsk tsk so rude. Going to never vote Republican from now on if this is how they act, even if the other option is a medically certified retard. I'm tired of the intolerance and I certainly wouldn't want to participate in that kind of thing.

I'm genuinely curious which specific policies?

Too bad there's retardation and mass circle-jerking on both sides, if only people would stop calling REAL liberals republicans and start calling modern day liberals Marxists

I guess the game has changed for good

^ To judge from this wiki quote below, I'm using words like "communist country" in a way that is generally accepted in the West. You are using the word "socialist" the way the countries in question prefer to describe themselves, right?




On Trump policies: my impression is that many people in the Trump camp mistook slogans for policies and are now rather alarmed by the distance they have to cover to convert the former to the latter.
For example: "Build a Wall. The Mexicans will pay" is a hollow, unsupported slogan of tweetable length, the kind of statement Trump is best at. I don't think it deserves the name "policy" unless he can detail out precisely how it's going to be achieved.

I say that we call the conservatives republicans and we call the conservatives democrats.

Just seen that, good ol Jonny ay

His transformation into the kind of person he would have hated back in the day is now complete. It's been disappointing to watch.

Also, it's hilarious that he actually thinks he's working class.

More like it's disappointing that he's not a hilarious caricature of whatever the **** he was trying to be. Looks like he might just be bored of portraying a character and is settling into relative normalcy.

That was used in a PJW video.

POPULISM IS THE NEW PUNK


Conservatism is the NEW Counter-Culture

Can you spell SELL OUT? His young self would kick him in the nuts and spit on him.

Lol if only you could go back in time and play that commercial to him.

Seen him on Question Time and he didn't come across well there imo especially toward the end.

https://youtu.be/Xj5R5o-yhcc

Trump to Sign Bill Repealing Obama-Era Internet Privacy Rules | Fortune.com

Prepare for an overflowing spam folder and a rise in identity theft.

^ Looking at my own inboxes, I don't see how it could get any worse. :p:

Also, +1 for Spicy Boy.

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I guess you mean traditional liberalism here ie John Locke

I wouldn't mind modern day liberals being refereed to exclusively as progressives but "Marxists" makes me laugh at you

I mean I'm not going to say you're incorrect because the meanings of words can change based on being misused for extended periods of time

I just think using Communism when what is meant is Socialism contributes to a lot of the confusion people have about Marxist ideology

I'm not a big fan of Spicer, but he certainly has his moments.

He's just lying though wow so impressive

It's his job to spin for the president and he's had so much practice at this point I guess he'd better be good at it

I know what he is doing. Like I said, not a fan of his but his delivery was on point though.

I think they missed an opportunity by not hiring Don King as Trump's press secretary.

^ No problem. You prompted me to clarify something I was vaguely confused about. Thanks for that :thumb:

And with Trump, another day means another sinister development:-

Van Jones: Trump may have signed Earth's death warrant (Opinion) - CNN.com

I still hope this guy comes back and clarifies his **** and run post

You know you're in for a Kitchen Table doozy anytime a statement starts with "Well both sides..."

Like something you might not understand about traditional John Locke Liberalism is that he lived in a world with an abundance of free land to anyone who wanted to settle it

So yeah property rights were sacred

But what happens when all the land is already owned? What good is that right now?

When you start asking these questions you arrive at the next evolution of Liberalism

Not only that, but a world where wilderness was seen as a waste, and where settled land, which had been altered and made useful to humans, was the only worthwhile land.

Very true

I'm huge on the traditional political theorists but you have to put them in their time and place to understand their philosophy

I could have been giving too much credit assuming Zappa dude is familiar with any of this anyhow

Yeah I might not be much of a socialist, but I still understand that capitalism presumes a world that it can infinitely exploit.

And yeah this stuff is super depressing

So PJW and the InfoWars brigade get into a fight with their ideological opposites on twitter and tumblr and think he's winning a "culture war" because of his anecdotal data of being buried in positive messages from teenagers.

Got it.

Culture is certainly shifting, but at as long as Republicans, and by extension, the alt-right, consider themselves a bulwark against godless liberalism, Islamic degeneracy, and all the other buzzwords and phrases they use, aren't they claiming the center of Western culture? Using his phraseology, it seems they, by definition can't be a "counter-culture" as they're attempting to reclaim a "pure" culture as opposed to one that's been polluted by outsiders. In his view, liberalism is counter to American culture - popularity of the movement is irrelevant, especially considering the 'reclamation' identity Trumpism has engendered.

What I don't understand is how people like yourself (nonsense myopia trolling aside, you make generally interesting/cogent posts) can't separate the hysterical hyperbole of the SJWs, who I agree are obnoxious and borderline totalitarian, from the core of the animating issue, namely social libertarianism. Individual freedom to marry. Check. Individual freedom to identify as male, female, other, Check. Individual freedom to congregate with people who think like you and have discussions, marches, parties, prayer groups, etc. Check.

It's like PJW and large swaths of his fan base have seen a couple YouTube videos featuring women calling for male genocide and have determined that every self-identified liberal/feminist agrees with that; which is absolute nonsense. I'm happy to debate policy with anyone, but I'm tired of being lumped in with a vanishingly small minority of "liberals" so wrapped up in identity politics that they have become the very thing they purportedly oppose.

If you have an element of PJW's philosophy that you agree with and would like to discuss, I'd be happy to. My experience is anecdotal to be sure, but there seems to be a malicious glee taken in upsetting other people. I see the movement as one of disaffection, filled with personal grievances and lashing out at those formerly in "power" (cue *liberaltears.meme*). What am I missing?

Oh I didn't see Nea "How do you know Obama isn't a Muslim" slunk back into this thread

Yeah sure neo-nazis are a counter-culture that much is true

However this ideology masquerading as conservatism is an absolute insult to it as a tradition

Socks you just give him way too much credit you aren't missing anything

This is excellent news. Now I don't have to fear the future, policy writing, elphenor.

You think we have a migrant problem now wait until climate change induced drought and famine pushes developing countries over the edge

I'm posting a lot rn sitting in my car before work bored

I don't think we have a migrant problem. That's just you putting words in my mouth because we have different takes on the proper way to handle it and you like to draw false comparisons between Germany and the US.

I'd stay and bicker with you, but I have to go to class. Have fun at work.

You have to have have-nots in order to have haves.

Have.

Was it Paul Ryan who said he preferred to see the world as "haves and soon-to-be haves" I can't remember but goddamn they think we're stupid

All must go to gulag

To follow this up, come mid terms you guys that do actually bother to vote better remember these names.

Names of Senators and Representatives and how much they received from lobbyists for Media companies

Also of course Blackburn got up and said that non-sense speech of hers because she got paid 84k.