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Mindfulness 02-14-2017 02:57 PM


djchameleon 02-14-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805517)
Russia fires off a cruise missile today. A Russian spy ship has been spotted a few hundred miles off the coast of Delaware. Both in total defiance of decades old arms treaties.

Jebus f-ing christ. What the **** kind of dung have we stepped into America?

Yup, I was just reading about that.

Russia Deploys Missile, Violating Treaty and Challenging Trump

Also the GOP regarding Flynn. They don't even want to follow through with an investigation.

House Republicans won't commit to Flynn investigation

Chula Vista 02-14-2017 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805561)
Trump was just on Alex Jones show saying he's a big fan

This is seriously that old retired uncle you have who watches Fox News and craps his pants 16 hours a day as leader of the free world

I'm so tempted to poke at my family back east who thought Trump was truly a messiah.

I just can't do it. I'm sure that buyer's remorse has already begun sinking in. Unless of course there's still some clinging to "it's CNN's fault".

Anteater 02-14-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805563)
I just can't do it. I'm sure that buyer's remorse has already begun sinking in. Unless of course there's still some clinging to "it's CNN's fault".

It's not like voters had an all star cast of choices to pick this past election season though. Bernie Sanders was the closest thing to a "perfect" liberal choice anyone could have asked for but he got shafted by his own peers.

You actually could blame CNN though, now that I think about it. They helped Trump more than the Russians ever could have. :rofl:

Chula Vista 02-14-2017 08:27 PM

FBI now investigating the fact that several top level Trump campaign advisers were in constant contact with Russian operatives during the election. Communications had been intercepted where Russian officials are boasting to each other about how much access they had with the then candidate Trump and his inner circle.

Trump aides spoke to Russians during campaign - CNNPolitics.com

Sean Spicer in full "no comment" mode. It's not even been a month.

Goofle 02-15-2017 05:37 AM

Post all the articles.

RoxyRollah 02-15-2017 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805615)
FBI now investigating the fact that several top level Trump campaign advisers were in constant contact with Russian operatives during the election. Communications had been intercepted where Russian officials are boasting to each other about how much access they had with the then candidate Trump and his inner circle.

Trump aides spoke to Russians during campaign - CNNPolitics.com

Sean Spicer in full "no comment" mode. It's not even been a month.


Maaaaan you still watching CNN? No wonder you're still grossly misinformed. I just thought you were dumb. But brainwashed and mind controlled. Sad. Anyways don't get a boner yet Don I'm here picking up mail.

Psy-Fi 02-15-2017 06:09 AM

:laughing:

RoxyRollah 02-15-2017 06:11 AM

Haaaaay boo^

Chula Vista 02-15-2017 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1805673)
Maaaaan you still watching CNN? No wonder you're still grossly misinformed. I just thought you were dumb. But brainwashed and mind controlled. Sad. Anyways don't get a boner yet Don I'm here picking up mail.

I actually watched Tucker Carlson last night. You proud of me?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 02-15-2017 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805731)
I actually watched Tucker Carlson last night. You proud of me?

ew

Frownland 02-15-2017 10:03 AM

Reading news>>>>watching news

It makes the bias so much more obvious.

Goofle 02-15-2017 10:03 AM

Tucker is porn.

Chula Vista 02-15-2017 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1805736)
Tucker is porn.

He's actually gotten much better since Stewart ripped him a new one and he ditched the stupid bowtie. I was pleasantly surprised.

djchameleon 02-15-2017 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805726)
This is weird because let's say it does go as far as impeachment surely they don't follow normal protocol for succession

really there should be another election

It should just go to Mike Pence like it normally does. Goes down to the VP.

Having another election is not a good idea at all.

Key 02-15-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1805778)
It should just go to Mike Pence like it normally does. Goes down to the VP.

Having another election is not a good idea at all.

Plus, relative to who is already running, Mike Pence is fairly tame. He has a lot of issues, but I don't feel he'd go on a rampage on Twitter on things that don't matter.

djchameleon 02-15-2017 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805784)
This is nonsensical if Pence was involved as well

Paul Ryan would be next up to bat then.

There is no need to hold an entire election process all over again when there is a system set up in place to go down the line(chain of command).

Pence wouldn't be all up on twitter every two seconds tweeting about non sense though.

Key 02-15-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805786)
Uh no

Pence is as right wing as the democratic world has on every issue

I didn't say he didn't. But a republican president to any extent is better than an uneducated and ill prepared temperamental baby.

Key 02-15-2017 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805792)
Trump is arguably a net positive over Pence because at least he axed TPP

Pence wouldn't dream of it

I don't know. You're probably right but it just would be much safer to have someone in charge that at least has control. Trump is just a trainwreck.

Frownland 02-15-2017 11:18 AM

I also wouldn't expect Pence to be as (unintentionally or not) transparent as Trump has been.

djchameleon 02-15-2017 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805790)
Who gives a **** about tweets but

Did you miss when this guy decided to thank Abraham Lincoln on MLK day

You say that until one day he tweets out sensitive information. Also in this day and age everyone cares about tweets and if you tweeted out the wrong thing it could be used against you in court. So get off your high horse about social media platforms like they aren't that big of a deal. He uses social media to spread misinformation while constantly attacking the press.



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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1805796)
Again I'm not saying that's what happened we don't know yet

But it would be unprecedented and call for actions above the norm

Exactly, we don't know that.

Chula Vista 02-15-2017 12:35 PM

By most reports, Trump kept Pence pretty much in the dark about all things Russia.

Chula Vista 02-15-2017 01:33 PM

Andrew Puzder expected to withdraw as labor secretary nominee. As few as 4 and as many as 12 GOP senators have let Trump's advisors know they won't vote for him.

Go back to slinging burgers you ****ing putz.

The bumpy road continues.

Trollheart 02-15-2017 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805142)
I explained my use of the word "globalist" earlier as it related to Soros.

You cited a poll that came out several years ago. Cultural differences or no cultural differences, America must not be that "great" a threat to world peace if those people professing fear would rather live here than anywhere else on the planet according to the results. Why didn't Russia or Iran or Iraq or Saudi Arabia top the list on the 2nd question otherwise?

Because when the tiger is loose the safest place to be is in its cage.
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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805206)
Hah. The last decade or more was an experiment as well. Pushed back further than expected? Other than the stimulus bill, Obama didn't do anything in his past eight years in office that you'll find too much consensus with people on

He got Osama...
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1805210)
He said they failed at their purpose.

And for Duga's thing about he internet, I repeat that it's not a false news problem it's a stupid people problem. Bull**** stories and rumors existed long before the internet. If anything the internet provides much easier access to the information you need to make an informed opinion. It's just a lack of critical thinking and the fact that most people don't care about what's true, just what backs up their perspective because I guess being wrong is too big of a blow to some people's egos. You can definitely see a lot of that in these kinds of topics.

Edit: You can definitely see that willful ignorance when Elphlord and Chalupa Vista make AuntEater out to be this greedy business man for attempting to be optimistic about a candidate he doesn't even particularly like. (at least I don't think he likes Trump)

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1805225)
Can you clarify then? Because that's all I'm reading from your posts as well.

When an experiment is harmful it's not an experiment anymore?

Me too. Even after Ki's explanation, well, an experiment never stops being an experiment: it's either ongoing, failed or completed, but it still is one.
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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805255)
Correct. I don't think he hates Muslims or other races at all. He has a hyperbolic fear of radicals getting into the U.S. though.

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1805258)
You can't be serious.

X 3
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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805269)
"Blatant" racism? Where he said "some" illegal immigrants coming out of Mexico were rapists or drug dealers or cartel members? In the liberal news world, I guess that means that ALL Mexicans must be those things. But he never said "all" Mexicans now did he?

Again: bringing racism into the picture here assumes he is motivated by it. Did Hitler bring Jews into his inner circle? No. When you hate something, you will exclude it. Trump would never hire anyone in his organization who was a different race from himself if he really believed in what some of his opponents have claimed about him. He merely used fears that naturally align with racism in order to appeal to middle America.

I'm not trying to be mean to you here. I'm trying to demonstrate the difference between analyzing what is actually said versus analyzing an interpretation that a media outlet snipped out of a larger statement. If you are going to say Trump is motivated by racism and sexism, you need to provide evidence that those are his prime motivating factors. Looking at the whole pinata that represents Trump's actions throughout his life and including those he's made since becoming President, it doesn't look like those things are forces that drive him. His ego is so big I doubt he has room for anything else outside of his desire for wealth and attention.

Wasn't the quote something like "They're not sending us over their best: they're sending rapists, drug users, murderers ..."? So when you say something like that, it's pretty clear you're talking about, if not all, then the majority of the people you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1805273)
I'm not sure I said that at all. I think you are confused as to what entails an "experiment". Murder isn't an experiment because murder has one result - death.

You stated in one of your previous posts that once we have a conclusion, it's no longer an experiment. I suppose you clarified what you meant here, but it was confusing since an experiment is an experiment even when you have a conclusion.

A better example, perhaps, would be "is this gas lethal?" Then it is an experiment, which could end in death and could indeed lead to murder, but might not.
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1805290)
Trump says make America great again. The Klan wants to **** their daughters, Trump wants to **** his daughter. Some of it might be a little hyperbolic but it's still there. They both probably wanted to hang Obama too. His whole birther movement was completely racist and would never happen if Obama was white.

Mmm. Don't we all? ;)
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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805364)
You missed the point I was making completely. Yes, Trump is "racist"...but so is everyone to some extent. FDR was a racist. JFK was a racist to some extent and misogynistic.

Yeah, but nobody has been as open about it or indeed used it to drive their presidential campaign. There is a difference here.

Chula Vista 02-15-2017 03:27 PM

One of your finest moments of 2017 so far Troll. My hat is off to you.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Not sure Ant understands how obtuse he comes across sometimes with his Trump defenses/excuses.

Anteater 02-15-2017 03:35 PM

What excuses? I gave reasonable explanations and illustrated some important differences between people specifically motivated by racism and those who are not. You guys only like to get particular with definitions as long as the argument is something you agree with. It isn't my fault if other people don't agree with me because they're pessimists. I can't force people to step back from their emotions. I said Trump wasn't motivated by racial hatred and people's heads exploded. What a shocker. :D

Also, wasn't that operation that Obama took credit for in regards to Osama something that started under the Bush administration?

Goofle 02-15-2017 03:41 PM

Impeachment :laughing:

Oh you guys.

Chula Vista 02-15-2017 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805851)

Also, wasn't that operation that Obama took credit for in regards to Osama something that started under the Bush administration?

No. Operation Neptune Spear was 100% Obama's administration. Bush had been out of office for almost three years by that time. Nice try though.

Obama didn't take credit. He deserved full credit. Even my far right family back east gave him props on that one.

It's not that I'm a pessimist in my disagreement with you. It's that our ideologies and outlooks on things don't align. It's like Trump. He calls CNN fake news but thinks Fox is awesome. If you like me I like you. If you don't like me you aren't real.

:rofl:

Chula Vista 02-15-2017 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1805852)
Impeachment :laughing:

Wanna bet? The fact that as many as 12 GOP senators are ready to block one of his nominees, and that Mitch McConnell is behind a full investigation into the Russia thing AFTER ONLY A MONTH of his presidency says a lot.

4 years = 48 months.

1 down, 47 to go. You expect things to get any better anytime soon Goof?

Frownland 02-15-2017 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1805852)
Impeachment :laughing:

Oh you guys.

You can get impeached for being unlikeable and inheriting one of the most difficult presidencies in history, see?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson

Anteater 02-15-2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805853)
No. Operation Neptune Spear was 100% Obama's administration. Bush had been out of office for almost three years by that time. Nice try though.

Obama didn't take credit. He deserved full credit. Even my far right family back east gave him props on this one.

It's not that I'm a pessimist in my disagreement with you. It's that our ideologies and outlooks on things don't align. It's like Trump. He calls CNN fake news but thinks Fox is awesome. If you like me I like you. If you don't like me you aren't real.

:rofl:

You misunderstood my statement. The groundwork for Neptune Spear started before Obama took office, as they narrowed down the region of Pakistan where he was holed up as early as 2008. Was Obama president in 2008? Obama does get credit for everything that came after that point obviously.

Goofle 02-15-2017 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805854)
Wanna bet? The fact that as many as 12 GOP senators are ready to block one of his nominees, and that Mitch McConnell is behind a full investigation into the Russia thing AFTER ONLY A MONTH of his presidency says a lot.

4 years = 48 months.

1 down, 47 to go. You expect things to get any better anytime soon Goof?

Dude. Jesus. You really live in a fantasy world.

Frownland 02-15-2017 04:01 PM

Nah, there are definitely 48 months in four years and 47 months left in a four year period counting from one month ago. Denying that is fantasy.

Chula Vista 02-15-2017 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805856)
The groundwork for Neptune Spear started before Obama took office, as they narrowed down the region of Pakistan where he was holed up as early as 2008. Was Obama president in 2008?

Dude. Just stop. You're stretching beyond belief here.

Intel started coming in as early as a couple of months after the attack. The real breakthrough, and launch of Neptune Spear was after OBL's courier was finally identified in 2010. Was Bush in office in 2010?

****ing ridiculous.

I can't take credit for the most recent Thanksgiving dinner I preprared because the Pilgrims are the ones really responsible.

Frownland 02-15-2017 04:07 PM

Both of you are wrong. Osama bin Laden didn't really die (at least by the hands of the US government), that was a hoax perpetuated to make the government look powerful to its enemies.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805861)
I can't take credit for the most recent Thanksgiving dinner I preprared because the Pilgrims are the ones really responsible.

You'd be surprised.

Trollheart 02-15-2017 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1805849)
One of your finest moments of 2017 so far Troll. My hat is off to you.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Not sure Ant understands how obtuse he comes across sometimes with his Trump defenses/excuses.

Um, thanks man. I didn't think it was that great, but you know, I'll take what's offered... ;)
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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805851)
What excuses? I gave reasonable explanations and illustrated some important differences between people specifically motivated by racism and those who are not. You guys only like to get particular with definitions as long as the argument is something you agree with. It isn't my fault if other people don't agree with me because they're pessimists. I can't force people to step back from their emotions. I said Trump wasn't motivated by racial hatred and people's heads exploded. What a shocker. :D

Also, wasn't that operation that Obama took credit for in regards to Osama something that started under the Bush administration?

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1805856)
You misunderstood my statement. The groundwork for Neptune Spear started before Obama took office, as they narrowed down the region of Pakistan where he was holed up as early as 2008. Was Obama president in 2008? Obama does get credit for everything that came after that point obviously.

Wasn't Bush's famous reply to "Have you any leads on the whereabouts of UBL?" something like "I don't really think about him any more"? Doesn't sound like an administration that's actively looking for the guy. And by 2008 Bush would have been in "Vacation/Load up SUV 1" mode, ready to leave. Any initiatives that may have begun back then could hardly be credited to him. In his mind, he was already on the beach. Or riding around his ranch.


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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1805858)
Dude. Jesus. You really live in a fantasy world.

Um, why do you say that?
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1805863)
Both of you are wrong. Osama bin Laden didn't really die (at least by the hands of the US government), that was a hoax perpetuated to make the government look powerful to its enemies.



You're wrong too. Osama was a double agent from the nineteenth reality dimension, sent back here to perpetrate 9/11 and in so doing assure that Trump got elected. Trump would then be shown the path to find the mysterious Mexicat amulet, which would allow him to take down the wall (how ironic!) between the dimensions, so that those from 19R could come through and take over ours, as theirs is collapsing into a black hole.

His face when he realises that 19R is populated exclusively by Mexicans and Latinos! :laughing:

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 05:53 PM

I think Anteater made it pretty clear multiple times that regardless if Trump is a racist or not, his policies are not driven by racism. Idk why it's hard to see the difference. If you're gonna sit here accepting that almost all the presidents before him were racist, but claim it doesn't matter then I'd hope you'd apply the same logic to Trump unless he is trying to enact policy that is in fact racist.

Trollheart 02-15-2017 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1805886)
I think Anteater made it pretty clear multiple times that regardless if Trump is a racist or not, his policies are not driven by racism. Idk why it's hard to see the difference. If you're gonna sit here accepting that almost all the presidents before him were racist, but claim it doesn't matter then I'd hope you'd apply the same logic to Trump unless he is trying to enact policy that is in fact racist.

How can building a wall to keep one race out of America (one of the biggest building blocks - sorry! - of his campaign) and banning immigration from Muslim countries not be seen as racist? And these are clear policies he's pushing, so, you know, idk what you mean...

DwnWthVwls 02-15-2017 06:00 PM

Well for one muslim isn't a race.. and 2 there is already a fucking wall. He wants to bolster something that already exists to prevent a problem that the US has accepted as a problem for a long time. Just because he ran his campaign on it that had all the biggest pieces of shit in America flocking to him, doesn't make either of those policies racist in and of themselves. Do Mexico and Canada not have policies that prevent us from sneaking in and living there illegally?

Frownland 02-15-2017 06:04 PM

Both are quite clearly driven by racist/xenophobic attitudes.


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