Not shocked by that at all it's an act of Nationalism the fact that it might accidentally be good for American workers doesn't make it surprising

If only this sort of thing thing happened before so that we could observe the results...

The intended reason is the same reason anybody opposed TPP, according to what he had to say in the debates. I just didn't think he'd go through with it because it implied he gave a **** about anything other than himself and his business. I'm still not fully convinced he won't use his position to corrupt politics in favor of larger businesses but it's a step in the right direction.

Though, I have been reading some shady **** about them trying to get rid of a few areas of government dedicated to investigating corruption.

And I heard he wants to reverse the gay marriage laws. Don't know if it's really true or not because people take the slightest inkling of anything that could imply that and run with it.

And I think the Muslim ban is both dumb and extremely cowardly.

And I think him signing that deal to build that pipeline is absolutely the horrible corrupt decision making I was expecting. It will create a few temporary jobs that will vanish quickly and is moving in the opposite direction the we need to go in order to start preventing catastrophic climate change.

And I absolutely think him putting a hiring freeze on government jobs is completely detrimental to actually creating jobs and is really him trying to push jobs towards different companies that will probably pay you less, give you less benefits, follow less safety regulations and work you harder.

But I could be wrong again, we have to wait and see. I mean there's not much else we can do except wait, see, complain and I guess start voting Democrat on a local level. Perhaps now Democrats will stop being little pussies and realize that the time of playing fair with Republicans is over if they want to get anything actually done.

It's for the same reason as the Muslim ban

It's right wing populism ie: Xenophobia and extreme Nationalism

Isolation policy is an arm of this

pull out of TPP because the "other" in this case the Chinese are what's hurting America

The blame isn't put on the corporate body that Trump is apart of that moved the jobs to places where they could exploit the hardest, it's on anyone who isn't white

The time of them trying to play the same sell-out game as the Republicans is what ought to be over, it's like giving the right wing home field advantage

Don't run another candidate that takes money from Wall Street plain and simple

I was just reading an article about this. They made it seem like it was Trump's idea but he would have probably tried to reverse them with an executive order if it wasn't for Ivanka and her husband.

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner Helped Thwart L.G.B.T. Rights Rollback

that's weird I quoted Lucem and it showed up as Chula. Whatever.

That's not what I meant, I meant as in how Obama bent over backwards trying to make the Republicans happy even though he had a Democrat majority in house. He should have just done what they hell he wanted. The same way Republicans always do. With out giving a damn.

Muslimham :D

It's actually Birming now. We removed the 'ham' as it's not halal.

Someone should ask President Daddy for his views on De Emerald Isle.

I really don't think enough people appreciate Obama, looking back. We can sit here and pretend America has become a ruined waste land of poverty as we luxuriously sit back at our computers and yell at each other over simple misunderstandings and light opinion differences, but I mean, we could have been jobless and starving if Obama really did **** up. That's the path we were heading down. He prevented that and slowly turned it back on the right path. We are still one of the richest countries in the world. Cherish that. Because Trump might ruin it.

You think he didn't? :laughing:

Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

Study: Obama Has Issued More Restrictive Executive Orders Than Past SIX Administrations » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Did you seriously just quote Infowars? I'd say that means you just lost the debate by default.

You know why he had to do those Orders? He was too busy trying to be Bi-partisan during the first two years and when that didn't work. They forced his hand to do those orders to get certain things done.

Alex Jones gets all his information from VERY reputable sources...

in the new Joe Rogan podcast he talks about the psychic vampires and the interdimensional communication from the Elite to drain the energy from our youth

... no seriously.

At one simplistic level, good governing is like good parenting. Like the law about wearing a crash helmet on a motorbike; a sunny day on an empty road and you may not want to do it, but you know it makes sense.

^ At last someone has mentioned this clear-cut example of terrible parenting."Let's forget about long-term irreversible harm to the environment of the whole planet. Let's sacrifice that for the short term benefit of the USA."
That's an approach typically taken by commercial companies clamouring for profits, which is why they should be regulated by a government that sees a bigger picture. Unfortunately, Trump is parenting on the Homer Simpson model, "Sure Bart, eat all the candy you want and no need to brush your teeth afterwards. Dental decay is just a scam cooked up by scientists, like global warming."

I think pro-fossil Trump with his scorn for alternative fuels is going to be more damaging, long-term, than his clumsy meddling with the immigration rules.

I didn't get the Batman reference at first. Then I found this...

Batman created so many YouTubers that day.

Why exactly is Sam Harris such a pos? I haven't seen much from him, but he seems pretty reasonable from what I have.

Those two Bill Maher clips are the only videos I've seen from him. Can't say I disagree with anything he said in either one.

He wouldn't bother you if you agree with his views on Islams and Muslims in general.

Whenever him and Bill get together they always get under my skin with inaccurate **** that they say. The worse part is like it's not like they don't talk to Muslims where they can find out accurate information it's just that they like to stay willfully ignorant about certain things.

Here's a specific example, when the topic of the Burqa came up. Their minds are only wrapped around women being forced to wear them and not the fact that the women willingly want to wear them.

Also when they decided to bring up the fact that radical Muslims aren't fringe just because it is such a large number. They are still fringe in comparison to the billion of Muslims around the way. So what if they have a fringe army. When you have billions of people practicing one religion a fringe group of radicals can be larger.

Translation: all white women have internalized misogyny, but all brown women don't.

DJ i think you're the one being ignorant on the topic... the point is that no culture or belief system should force an individual to act or dress a certain way because of their sex. it's not about whether they want to, it's about them being forced to.

Sure. But if they want to wear it, let them wear it. Forcing them not to wear it is the same thing as forcing them to wear it. You can't change some people. The work should go towards changing the law not changing the people. The women who get attacked for wearing their burqa or hijab are victims of a hate crime no matter how the assh*le attacking them feels about the laws. Violence is violence. It solves nothing.

i never said otherwise.

I honestly wasn't sure.

i dont think DJ was necessarily saying they shouldnt have a say either. just a tough issue all around because obviously there's no good in going from one extreme to the other.

Donald Trump Is Signing Executive Orders That He Doesn't Read or Understand | GQ

I uhhhhhhhhh. I know this isn't a hard news article but wow.

Yeah.

Not sure how that happened.

OMG four more years of this and I'll have forgotten what it feels like for the gaping maw within my soul to have consumed my ability to laugh.

The Politico article cited in that Jack Moore article would be so much better if they didn't mix unsubstantiated silliness in by making up a "person" who they talked to about what Trump does in the White House. It's obvious they didn't talk to anyone and created "a person close to Trump" to insert their own narrative. Trump's administration has a lot of real problems, so why not talk to real people who you can quote by name?

What the **** is your sig, bitch? I will not be misquoted without monetary compensation!

You said it in a parallel universe where Gary Johnson won the presidency. :)

If you watched the video i posted its briefly covered from 6-8minute mark and Sam Harris doesnt seem to disagree. Bill Maher says its not normal and comes off kinda douchey, but neither say they should be forced to dressed "normally".

Im not gonna go off on a tyrade about it but any system/religion/ideaology that tells you what to think instead of teaching you how to think is the enemy of progression and worth criticizing. (Im sure im paraphrasing Dawkins with this but i cant give you a direct quote).

When I was 14 I was all about dat Dawkins

He is pretty dreamy.

In one of his books he flat out says religious people's brains have some form of a deformity that makes them that way lol

It wasn't a diss he genuinely believes it

New Atheism is just perfect for the smug enlightened 15 year olds of the world

I read a Sam Harris book back in the day, but that's pretty much the extent of my Serious Atheist Research. I like arguing that **** on occasion, but **** me I don't understand why so many atheists care so much about this ****. God doesn't exist, fantastic, stupendous, moving on.

I really don't care about personas in a logical discussion. The point seems logical to me, I'd love to hear a persuasive contradictory position.

However, it's important to remember that there is a fine line between the two and that the former can be disguised as the latter.