this is true. you can find stats for both sides of the arguement and sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture instead of just specific stats.

Taser disarms you faster.. You can fight through the pain of being shot and fire back.. You can't shoot back when your having involuntary convulsions.. aim is still the biggest factor.

If you suck at aiming your gun it doesn't make you any safer.

O jesus.. You can trade guns for drugs dude.. Gang members aren't getting legal guns. cmon now.

I disagree a bullet travels faster and from a much further distance. If we need a demonstration i'm willing to fly out. Joking I'm through guys, you've won me over, i'm turning in my guns and buying a butter knife.

You can walk away with a bullet in your stomach. You get tazed and you're down and it's nearly impossible to react once hit. I think I just solved the gun debate for all of America.

Yeah nobodies ever thought of that except the guy that tried to taser a guy from more then ten feet and got shot right between the eyes. Your sending the lambs to the slaughter Christoffe, holster your tasers dawgs.

I wanna say I appreciate the banter dudes. I think everyones opinion is important and respect all of your opinions. I clearly am in the minority, but i'll continue to be an advocate for what I believe in. Have a good weekend all.

Dude shouldn't've ****ed with a world class sniper like that. If it's for home defense it's not that likely that you'll need more than 10 feet anyway.

Speed is irrelevant as long as it's faster than your target can react, in which case both guns and tasers meet the requirement. I was arguing from a home safety stance, I could get behind your argument in a street gun fight or something, but for anything close range I really don't see it. I guess one argument is that a gun gives you multiple shots vs a taser with one chance, but I don't want to argue for your side, come up with these ideas yourself.

Later Fred :)

These are stupid arguments. Unless you kinda just get grazed in the leg (which probably wouldn't accomplish anything with a taser either) then you're probably out of the fight. We're not talking about Navy SEALs, who probably would be out of the fight with a gutshot anyway, we're talking about people who are functionally civilians, and would get taken down with a bullet pretty much any place in their body. We are also not talking about demons who will go through any amount of pain just to kill you, we're talking about people who just want your TV or whatever, and aren't looking for a fight to the death.

And even just talking about what is more effective doesn't make tasers equally effective. Have you seen Cops? Plenty of times I've seen someone who was big as **** and/or on PCP who didn't go down from a taser. They might not be in the best shape to continue ****ing with you, but you are still not safe. And if one shot from a taser doesn't bring someone down, then you can't just fire the taser against cause it only has one shot, unlike a gun.

If this is the case than you really don't need a gun for protection to begin with.. or do you think it's okay to shoot someone robbing your house? I'm sure a lot of people actually do.

It's about being able to defend yourself, and a gun is going to be much more of a threat than anything not a gun. If someone's going to charge a taser then I imagine they may also be willing to charge a gun cause something is wrong with them, and I'd much rather have the stopping power of a gun. I'm not for laws that say that you can just shoot anyone in your house dead just cause they're breaking and entering, but I do think you should be able to have stopping power on your side if the situation calls for it.

Those sound like movie gunshot wounds. I'm talking about the reality where you can be shot in 90% of your body depending on the gun caliber and still function. Top that off with adrenaline and it's not going to bring you down like you suggest.

That sounds like movie gunshot wounds, where you get shot BUT GOD DAMNIT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET THAT STOP YOU FROM SAVING YOU GIRL!!! If someone gets shot in the arm, or the shoulder, or the foot, or whatever, I imagine they're not going to want to keep doing what they were just doing, and if they still do, then you have more bullets. I don't imagine anyone under any circumstances is going to keep threatening you if they have a full clip emptied into them. As opposed to not being able to taze them again cause you only have one shot.

Oddly enough the reality sits between these two extremes. Less oddly, you'll find it lands more on my side. Of course it all depends on the caliber of the gun, as I mentioned earlier.

False dichotomy and the threat of someone being able to handle a tazer is crazy small, no matter what you saw on (scripted) Cops.

No matter how right either of us are, the reality of clips with multiple bullets still makes you wrong.

Yes, it is small, but not unheard of. I'm not arguing that tasers aren't effective, but that a gun is potentially more effective and should be a viable option.

We're talking gun v tazer so it'd really only be one shot.

99.99999999999999999% efficacy is not only not enough, it's essentially ineffective.

Unless it isn't. Giving someone more than one shot increases survivability. Pretty simple.

First of all, source. Secondly, regardless, I don't think the option should be closed. Oh yeah, and what if there's more than one robber/rapist/ninja? No matter how effective a taser is it still only works once.

Who's talking banning here? I'm talking about sensible regulations. Background checks, waiting periods, being able to access a person's mental health records, eliminating all loopholes that allow dealers to avoid all of the above, eliminating the ability for a family member to transfer a firearm without any legality, etc.

All great stuff.

My handgun is in a small safe next to my bed. I can have it out and chambered in about 3 seconds. (yes, I DO NOT keep a round in the chamber - stupidest thing a person could ever do). Plus the sound of chambering a round is a deterrant in and of itself.

Yes, but that's none of your ****ing business, cause it's not your gun, any more than where I keep my TV is your business. If I want to be dumb and get shot by my own gun then that's not your concern.

This suppose to be funny.....

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I keep my revolver loaded. Safety off. Obviously, a revolver isn't going to make that sound but if you want the chambering sound to serve as a deterrent you shouldn't be drawing your weapon. I hope I never have to hold my revolver in self defense but if I do the only deterrent in my mind is a corpse. Whoever is breaking into your house is armed. Why would you give them a warning?

My bedroom is on the second floor. My 2 dogs would be deterent #1. Me yelling out that I have a gun and then confirming it with the sound of chambering a round is deterent #2.

TBH, I'm not worried about a break in. I'm just prepared for the event of a massive earthquake that shuts down SoCal for a period of time where society might break down a bit. I have supplies and would defend them in that scenario.

Apparently the breakdown of society is more feasible than getting robbed in Southern California.

Mojo = 85 pounds. Cali = 65 pounds.

Come on and give it a try.

I think the greater threat is your dogs getting into the Chef Boyardee.

yesistrue!

And my original argument was that rights shouldn't be granted or restricted based solely on statistics. I'm not a Libertarian, but I do believe in self-governing, and not letting the government stick its nose in the private affairs of its citizens unless necessary is preferable.

If you're a responsible gun owner then it can make you safer.

If not, it can make you less safer. It's a case by case scenario, no real easy answer.

This is the correct answer.

I agree with that too which I've gotten crap for in the past, but I just really don't like guns and find them completely unnecessary for anyone to own.. Guess it's just one of those things where I let my bias cloud my objective reasoning.

A responsible gun owner is judged by others. Not by the gun owner themself. For example, I consider anyone that open carries a total dickweed, unless they are way out in the middle of east bum**** USA.

Dickweed:

http://www.range365.com/sites/range3...?itok=JdA_XgtF

There's a bail bond company out here that has the perfect slogan that also works in regards to gun ownership.

"It's better to know me, and not need me. Than to need me, and not know me."

That's pretty much what I was getting at when I asked Batlord if it's okay to shoot robbers..

You are comparing a guy walking through a family restaurant with a person who's defending their home and family from an intruder?


When a person breaks into your home do you stop and question their intentions? If I yell that I have a gun, then cock it, and an intruder decides to still proceed up the stairs? Sorry, but I'm going to be in 100% defense mode based on self preservation for me and mine.

First off my youngest child is 28. Second off, you're 100% right. The odds are miniscule. Thirdly, I'd rather have one and never have to use it, than experience a situation where I wished I had one.

I've been to the range a number of times and have fired a few hundred rounds. I practice all of the safety rules and completely respect my firearm. It's not a show off piece, i.e; Die Hard. You're the one stuck in Hollywood, not me.

Can you name the 4 rules of gun safety? I have them memorized.

I'm gonna guess before you spoil it.. I know nothing about guns.

1. Don't aim it at other people you don't intend to shoot.
2. Keep the safety on
3. Don't keep one in the chamber
4. Don't keep the clip in

Edit: Also, curious if you call the cops in your break in scenario or if you just plan to handle it yourself and call afterward. You didn't mention anything about their involvement.

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Great guesses.

1. Always assume a weapon is loaded. (My avatar is Terry Kath. Accidently killed himself because of thinking a gun was unloaded. Clip was out but a round was still in the chamber)
2. Never have a firearm aimed at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your booger finger off of the bang switch until you are 100% ready to actually shoot.
4. Always be aware of what's in the background.

Sure. I have a phone in my bedroom. If I knew a stranger was in my home I'd retrieve my Glock, shout out a warning, and then dial 911. The nearest police station to my home is...... actually, I don't even know how far away it is. I have a fire station about a half mile away, so that's pretty cool.

Google: Articulation.

Don't cop out. I'd love to keep up the discussion with lots of real words, but if you want to bail, that's fine too.

The **** if I'm waiting around to see what they want.