I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. To a conservative, the answer would almost assuredly be "no", just like the answer was "no" for liberals at the end of Bush's administration. This time around for liberals, the answer was "meh, wasn't too bad". That, combined with the incredible lack of excitement for Hillary and the very intense "no" coming from the right pretty much ensured a republican victory. I was worried about this the whole time, but held out hope that people could see just how bad Trump would be that they wouldn't elect him.

This has been how our country operates every cycle and why we've more or less taken turns in who has the power every 4-8 years. It's just that this time we really couldn't afford to "take turns". Alas, the left gets wayy too complacent.

Weird thing is, I was. The value of my home and my 401K were both way up. Finance rates were ridiculoulsy low as were gas prices. Other than BENGHAZI!!!!!! things were "relatively" quiet on the world stage, and The Backstreet Boys had reformed and started touring again.

Salad days man.

Salad days.

The one thing I really kinda despise is the cronyism clearly happening before our eyes. Case in point, Jared fucking Kushner. Fuck that guy.

Total silver spoon dude. Oh, and his uber-rich dad?

BS. Don't lump me in with the Dems who are on autopilot. I'm fully engaged and informed.

Beyond what directly affects you and what Donald Trump had for breakfast today?

Please. I've expounded on my political, personal, ideological, and philisophical views here a number of times. Again, stop trying to lump me in with some sort of autopilot norm.

Complacency is definitely part of it, but is it any surprise so many voted for Trump secretly when people along these lines predominate a big chunk of the media?

http://i63.tinypic.com/s1jbxy.jpg

I think the media are really made up more of boring, upper middle class, white people in ugly suits who no one listens to in the first place.

*giggles*

I'd have two problems with that picture. One, "Porn, probably". Huh? You might as well point an arrow at Trump and say "child molester/rapist, probably" with regard to his daughter. But there's no proof. It could just as easily be a graph or a movie or a defaced picture of Hillary or ****ing anything on the screen. That takes ultra-lame to new lows. Also, why is Trump labelled as "failed steak tycoon" when, love him or hate him, he is obviously a very successful real estate tycoon?

Because he had a steak business that failed.

Of course it's not an exact science. Although, I will say FDR is an unfair comparison - he got us out of the Depression AND a world war. People were pretty happy with the way he did things.

Yeah but it ignores the fact that his other businesses were successful. It's just annoying. You can fail at this but be wildly successful at that. Do people then remember you for when you failed at this or when you made it at that?

it's a meme that references another guy financing the lego batman movie. stfu

Bitter partisan political memes are rarely thesis-level social commentary.

I would've given Chula **** for it but he acknowledged that it's lame so he gets a pass on this one.

You stfu

If it took a person twelve years to save someone drowning in quicksand would you consider that an achievement too?

"FDR got us out of ... a world war." He died more than three weeks before Germany's surrender. So why exactly are you bestowing FDR with this posthumous achievement award?

I'm assuming he's saying FDR helped the US win the war, which really is something you can't deny, though it was Truman who dropped the bomb.

And let's not forget that Republican president Herbert Hoover did not get us out of the Great Depression. But that's potentially meaningless just as tiger-repellant rocks are not proof of repelling tigers.

He didn't say "win," he clearly said "got us out of ..."

"FDR helped the US win the war" - The Allies and the resistance and British spies helped the US armed forces to win the war. It wasn't FDR alone.

When he has nothing to say he switches to pedantic trolling without even realizing it.

You need a sling before they truly become tiger-repellant rocks.

Lol, people don't realize that a lot of effects from changes, especially economic ones, aren't instantaneous. These are the type of people that think the rising jobs on Trump's first day was all Trump and had nothing to do with Obama.

You and your damn pedantics. Though I can't get into his head, I'm assuming this is what he meant: to get someone out of something would be to achieve the end of it, which is what happened. He got the US out of the war by helping win it, otherwise they might have been in it (including a costly invasion of Japan) and by authorising the development of the atomic bomb, which was the main factor in ending at least the war in the Pacific.

Are you really going to be such a dick as to deny FDR his legacy? Have you nothing else to do?
:rolleyes:

Wow. If these are the kinds of mental gymnastics you have to do to make your point, maybe you should rethink your position.

Thanks. I was tempted to respond with more detail, but what's the point? I'm sure every reasonable person who read my post understands what I meant.

Honestly, FDR was one of the best presidents we ever had. Though his daughter Anna deserves a lot of credit too.

i know very little about US presidents but JFK wins because that dude mastered the art of giving speeches.



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It's all about Teddy Roosevelt and Grover Cleveland.

I agree with you on his speeches. However, JFK had the potential to be one of the greatest. I completely agree with his philosophy and as his presidency continued, he clearly had his eyes opened as to the problems with our current government and the solutions. Unfortunately, he did not live long enough to see many of those solutions enacted.

I always think about what would have happened and where we would be if JFK had lived and had 2 terms.

the garbage can guy from sesame street?

Nah the president who was like "oh this Benjamin Harrison guy, I can take him." Then everyone voted for Harrison in an upset and it sucked. That was when Cleveland came back and was like "miss me bitches? I told you it would be bad" for his acceptance speech before putting on sunglasses and walking away as the podium explodes behind him.

Grover Cleveland is a boss.

Let's be honest though, those words got watered down and used too aggressively real fast.

What's that H with an arrow on that pic?

Hillary Clinton's campaign logo.

Thx.

Is it funny that the arrow is pointing to the right?

No. It's logical.

If political campaigns are anything like the movies, then it was a wise choice.

Left or Right? Why a Character's Lateral Movement On-Screen Matters in Film

I think it's even simpler. Movement from left to right is perceived as movement forward, most likely due to our direction of writing.