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OccultHawk 04-09-2017 09:28 AM

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That's one of the reasons for why the state (under capitalism) is not a socialist institution, but rather a public institution that upholds and strengthens capitalism.
I'm willing to concede that in order to have a working definition of socialism with YOU.

But as an American it's useful to point out to other Americans that the free market isn't the answer to EVERYTHING. Americans will look out at a beautiful sunrise and thank the free market.

Isbjørn 04-09-2017 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1821510)
I'm willing to concede that in order to have a working definition of socialism with YOU.

But as an American it's useful to point out to other Americans that the free market isn't the answer to EVERYTHING. Americans will look out at a beautiful sunrise and thank the free market.

I see where you're coming from.

Unrelated:
Spoiler for thank the free market!:

Isbjørn 04-09-2017 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821517)
Really I only believe in Democracy

And getting to vote on which brand of toothpaste I prefer isn't a particularly compelling example of it

Voting on toothpaste flavors and how much is to be produced sounds better than toothpaste production being dictated by major shareholders. I'll take democratic control over the economy any day

Key 04-09-2017 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821537)
I think you misunderstand my joke

I'm very funny

Ha.

Anteater 04-09-2017 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821652)
Capitalism is also based on exploiting other people's countries since forever

You can only afford an IPhone because all the parts are made in places with suicide nets

FYI Capitalist pigs

How's that Mocha Caramel Cappuccino from Starbucks taste?

Frownland 04-09-2017 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1821655)
How's that Mocha Caramel Cappuccino from Starbucks taste?

Almost as good as your Copenhagen Black.

Isbjørn 04-09-2017 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1821655)
How's that Mocha Caramel Cappuccino from Starbucks taste?

I get it. We participate in society, therefore we aren't allowed to criticise it. Also I guess I can't endorse the MST in Brazil, I enjoy coffee after all.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821652)
Capitalism is also based on exploiting other people's countries since forever

You can only afford an IPhone because all the parts are made in places with suicide nets

FYI Capitalist pigs

This.

Chula Vista 04-09-2017 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1821655)
How's that Mocha Caramel Cappuccino from Starbucks taste?

Lame. As usual. The only thing missing is your "I'm kidding" smilie.

Frownland 04-09-2017 03:12 PM

And it's only people on the left that are rude and derisive, amiright fellas?

Chula Vista 04-09-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821672)
I'd be better off without processed garbage food to be quite honest

I'm, fine with some processed garbage food. Most is ****e though.

My fave.

https://www.gianteagle.com/ProductIm...3800166357.jpg

Mixed with some raman noodles, tons of fresh ground pepper, and parm cheese = Mmmmmm.

The Batlord 04-09-2017 03:46 PM

Lean Cuisine? What are you, some middle class single mother who has delusions of being an upper middle class single mother?

Chula Vista 04-09-2017 03:52 PM

It's fast, easy, good, and pairs well. **** off.

And not Lean Cuisine in general - just that specific one.

Anteater 04-09-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1821665)
Lame. As usual. The only thing missing is your "I'm kidding" smilie.

Hey, I'm just enjoying the "I Hate Capitalism But Benefit From It In Numerous Ways" Show. The only thing missing are some P90X infomercials.

Chula Vista 04-09-2017 04:02 PM

Fair enough. Still taking a lame angle at the argument.

Frownland 04-09-2017 04:05 PM

Socialism
http://colormetrix.com/wp-content/up...4/05/Black.jpg

Capitalism
http://www.colorcombos.com/images/colors/FFFFFF.png

And this is the only way that these two things exist in the world.

Goofle 04-09-2017 07:05 PM

Karl Marx is responsible for more deaths than any other individual human being in history.

rostasi 04-09-2017 08:51 PM

White-Nationalists love to get a rise
out of sensible people by spouting off
one-liner bullshit. Don't play their game.

riseagainstrocks 04-09-2017 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821787)
Karl Marx is responsible for more deaths than any other individual human being in history.

Hmm I think Pope Urban II or Ghengis Khan might want a word.

Isbjørn 04-10-2017 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1821696)
Socialism
http://colormetrix.com/wp-content/up...4/05/Black.jpg

Capitalism
http://www.colorcombos.com/images/colors/FFFFFF.png

And this is the only way that these two things exist in the world.

This, but unironically I guess?

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821787)
Karl Marx is responsible for more deaths than any other individual human being in history.

You can't just make that claim with no effort to back it up. Where are your sources, young man?

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821844)
If anyone is interested in the proper interpretation of Marx's "dictatorship of the proletariat" that Lenin and Stalin misrepresented may I direct you to Trotskyism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism

This is the first time I'll have to disagree with you in this thread. As I see it, there goes a theoretical straight line from Marx/Engels to Lenin regarding the dictatorship of the proletariat. Trotsky and Lenin were pretty much in agreement here. Have you read The State and Revolution?

Goofle 04-10-2017 06:08 AM

Marx wrote the communist manifesto. His ideals lead to communist governments which have killed around 100 million people. Obviously I am a personal responsibility advocate, and my comment wasn't literal (that Marx himself killed them all) but his theories have resulted in incalculable amounts of death.

Pet_Sounds 04-10-2017 06:15 AM

Would you blame World War II on Friedrich Nietzsche?

Goofle 04-10-2017 08:04 AM

There's a difference between a supposed influence and following a doctrine.

OccultHawk 04-10-2017 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1821892)
Would you blame World War II on Friedrich Nietzsche?

False analogy.

Trollheart 04-10-2017 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821787)
Karl Marx is responsible for more deaths than any other individual human being in history.

Goofle, I'm just losing so much respect for you. How can you mouth such nonsense? What about Jesus Christ? How many deaths is he responsible for? More than Marx?
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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 1821837)
Hmm I think Pope Urban II or Ghengis Khan might want a word.

And that **** Hitler too. And Julius Caesar. And the Pharaohs of Egypt. And ....
:rolleyes:

Frownland 04-10-2017 10:06 AM

Adam Smith definitely has the higher death count.

Janszoon 04-10-2017 10:55 AM

If published writings are at fault for all these deaths, clearly Gutenberg is responsible for more deaths than anyone else in history.

Frownland 04-10-2017 11:03 AM

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...9a&oe=599A20CA

Key 04-10-2017 02:44 PM

Please continue with the Hillary memes.

Goofle 04-10-2017 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1821913)
Goofle, I'm just losing so much respect for you. How can you mouth such nonsense? What about Jesus Christ? How many deaths is he responsible for? More than Marx?

I already explained the post above. Maybe I wasn't specifically correct, but the point was to state how awful the results of Karl Marx's writings have been. It's not that hard to see what I was saying.

Chula Vista 04-10-2017 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1822075)
It's not that hard to see what I was saying.

It kinda is. You're glossing over a bunch of stuff and just zeroing in on points that fit your narrative.

I also use to think you were cool. Ahhh, the salad days.

Key 04-10-2017 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1822111)
Is the serb who killed Franz Ferdinand individually responsible for every death of WW1 and WW2

Didn't they release that one album?

OccultHawk 04-10-2017 04:53 PM

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Is the genocide of native Americans capitalisms fault
Yes.

OccultHawk 04-10-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1822111)
Is the serb who killed Franz Ferdinand individually responsible for every death of WW1 and WW2

No.

OccultHawk 04-10-2017 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1822118)
I don't think I can really agree with that in a direct sense

It is true that Capitalism lead to it

But the ideology itself does not justify it

Slavery and the genocides were completely founded in capitalistic greed.

OccultHawk 04-10-2017 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1822125)
They predate both capitalism and socialism

I mean slavery and genocide in general

As do dictatorships and mass starvation

I mean in America. I think I can I make a pretty good case.

Anteater 04-10-2017 07:21 PM

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9KGCUSJrnOw/hqdefault.jpg

OccultHawk 04-10-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1822160)
It's flimsy even early American socialists were white supremacists

It's only true that the success supposedly due to Capitalism was largely due to slavery then and imperialism now

One word response: Greed

I think you know what I'm saying. I actually think if we were discussing it over a beer we'd be 90% on the same page.

Chula Vista 04-10-2017 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1822187)

I think you know what I'm saying. I actually think if we were discussing it over a beer we'd be 90% on the same page.

Agreed. You guys' posts are reading very much along the same lines - seems like you're kinda splitting hairs at this point.

Justthefacts 04-10-2017 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821652)
Capitalism is also based on exploiting other people's countries since forever

You can only afford an IPhone because all the parts are made in places with suicide nets

FYI Capitalist pigs

So what system do you do you think we should have in place then, if I may ask.

Chula Vista 04-10-2017 11:44 PM

Precious.



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