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Janszoon 03-19-2017 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815060)
To be fair, you don't seem to understand my position very well either if you really think Libertarians are "simpleminded". :)

I know Libertarian thinking is simpleminded. But I will grant that I don't know to what degree you subscribe to it.

Chula Vista 03-19-2017 01:16 PM

Anteater - the most consevative sounding Libertarian I've ever read.

Anteater 03-19-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1815061)
So how do you intend to remove money from politics? Besides magic?

If today's people can't solve this problem, I'll just hope the superhumans of 2029 that Kurzweil talks about can build a better government than what we've seen so far. :D

http://www.trunews.com/article/futur...ly-12-yrs-away

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815066)
I know Libertarian thinking is simpleminded. But I will grant that I don't know to what degree you subscribe to it.

You'd have to qualify what you think is so simpleminded about Libertarian thinking so that we could talk about it reasonably.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1815069)
Anteater - the most consevative sounding Libertarian I've ever read.

I find it more fun to debate fiscal issues than social ones. I am fiscally conservative in most respects, so that's why you perceive me that way.

djchameleon 03-19-2017 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1815033)

Real change will only occur if you can get money out of politics. That won't happen under a Democratic or Republican administration. You need something resembling the Libertarian ideal to be embraced by the mainstream voter.

Libertarians aren't the only ones that want to get money out of politics. There's an emerging group of progressives on the left that wants to do the same as well. It was being spear headed by Bernie Sanders but just because he didn't win the primary doesn't mean it has died off. The movement is still there it just hasn't gotten to the stage of naming itself a certain party name yet.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1815055)
No, I grew up from having simpleminded libertarian anti-government knee-jerk views to understanding that government—which is rife with it's own problems—is one of the only things that can curb corporate abuses.

This is very true. Most people that are for less regulations just want to get away with destroying the environment and abusing their workers in the process of attempting to gain more profit.


Also for all of Anteater's talk about how inefficient the government is, well without the government we wouldn't have: the computer, the internet, the rocket technology to go to the moon/space and launch satellites, etc

NASA and DoD have a lot of key inventions under their belt
most of the key life changing technological advances of the 20th century actually came about thanks to government funded research during and after World War 2.

DwnWthVwls 03-19-2017 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1815168)
The movement is still there it just hasn't gotten to the stage of naming itself a certain party name yet.

Justice Democrats??

https://justicedemocrats.com/platform

djchameleon 03-19-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1815172)

Yeah I guess that's pretty much it. Thought they would go with a different name.

Lucem Ferre 03-20-2017 03:10 AM

You guys focus too much on labels. The moment you start using these identities you lose focus on facts. Like the fact that we are all humans and we all pretty much want what is best for the country. And you focus more on your tribe winning. You add a degree of separation to make it easier to dismiss or hate the other tribes and every single thing becomes an us vs. them scenario. That's how politics has always worked, I guess, but I feel as though **** would be much more efficient if we could forget these stupid ****ing titles and labels and focus on being humans and listening and understanding and making compromises based on those things rather than hyperbole and slandering each other.

**** it, that **** won't happen.

DwnWthVwls 03-20-2017 09:24 AM

You know that means you can't be a juggalo anymore right?

Chula Vista 03-20-2017 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1815231)
You guys focus too much on labels.

Thing is, for most people their ideologies pretty much align with one of the two parties. Which results in them leaning towards a certain candidate that supports their ideologies.

As long as the majority of republicans are against pro-choice and womens rights to their bodies, are against wall street and banking regulations, are against fair taxes for the rich and big business, are against sensible gun control measures, are against keeping the bible the **** out of schools and government, are against equal rights for the LBGT community, are against regulations that protect the environment and worker safety, and are always FOR legislation and cuts that benefit the wealthy while screwing over blue collar and low income people, I will not vote for them.

Trump represents all of the above. Plus he's an arrogant, entitled, lying, two faced dick. Makes him an easy target for me.

And in other news.....

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"I have been authorized by the DOJ to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election – and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government. And whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russian’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed." - James Comey before congress this morning

The Batlord 03-20-2017 11:01 AM

Most people are idiots tho.

Key 03-20-2017 11:58 AM

Can he get impeached now? I'm not being silly, I'm truly curious.

Frownland 03-20-2017 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1815272)
Can he get impeached now? I'm not being silly, I'm truly curious.

What sparked this?

TBH I think the only reason that it hasn't been attempted yet is because people are still case building/waiting for a crime that is clear enough for a successful impeachment.

Lucem Ferre 03-20-2017 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1815246)
You know that means you can't be a juggalo anymore right?

I'm not a juggalo. And I cite that as one of the main reason, also with the fact that I hardly listen to ICP.

Key 03-20-2017 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815273)
What sparked this?

Although I'm surprised you couldn't answer this, the FBI hearing this morning made me think of it. We've seen more lies come out of Trump's mouth in his first few months than what should be allowed. The worst part about it is that his supporters believe everything he says, which on its own is scary. At what point are people going to start holding the man in power accountable for the things he says. Donald Trump is no stranger to calling out other people's faults, but for whatever reason, whenever Trump does it, he just gets a slap on a wrist. His mental instability and the fantasy he has created for himself on top of his constant attacks and lying should be nearing enough for impeachment. Does he literally have to commit a crime to make it possible? The country should be the first priority, and the fact that they haven't concluded that Trump is unfit to serve it is mind blowing to me.

Frownland 03-20-2017 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1815281)
Does he literally have to commit a crime to make it possible?

Yes, he does.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment

The Batlord 03-20-2017 12:48 PM

Wait, is lying actually an impeachable offense? Pretty sure it isn't. Like, really sure.

Key 03-20-2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815292)

Well duh. I was just saying for argument sake. I just thought that if by some stretch of the imagination, people would come to realize that his inability to be honest could potentially be enough.

elphenor 03-20-2017 12:49 PM

Lucem knows **** all about the issues so he takes the lazy position that doesn't require him to learn anything

Wahh labels wahh both sides

The Batlord 03-20-2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1815294)
Well duh. I was just saying for argument sake. I just thought that if by some stretch of the imagination, people would come to realize that his inability to be honest could potentially be enough.

For argument's sake, no he cannot be impeached. Now stop being silly.

Frownland 03-20-2017 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1815294)
Well duh. I was just saying for argument sake. I just thought that if by some stretch of the imagination, people would come to realize that his inability to be honest could potentially be enough.

Nope. That's not how impeachment works.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1815293)
Wait, is lying actually an impeachable offense? Pretty sure it isn't. Like, really sure.

Not unless he's under oath.

Key 03-20-2017 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1815296)
For argument's sake, no he cannot be impeached. Now stop being silly.

Lame. Well alright.

Key 03-20-2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1815231)
You guys focus too much on labels.

I wanted to comment on this silly remark earlier because it's coming from you, the guy who claims that music made in a studio is better than anything else. Studio recording is considered labeling something.

Frownland 03-20-2017 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1815301)
I wanted to comment on this silly remark earlier because it's coming from you, the guy who claims that music made in a studio is better than anything else. Studio recording is considered labeling something.

Nice one Neap.

The Batlord 03-20-2017 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1815295)
Lucem knows **** all about the issues so he takes the lazy position that doesn't require him to learn anything

Wahh labels wahh both sides

The only reason to take the lazy position is cause you don't give a ****. **** the retard proletariat, **** the insufferable bourgeoisie, I'm gonna go play videogames or watch cat videos on Youtube.

Chula Vista 03-20-2017 12:52 PM

His popularity is low as hell but 37% are still behind the guy. A good chunk of them fervently so.

Key 03-20-2017 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815302)
Nice one Neap.

Thank you. I'm proud of myself for that one even if you use such a name to insult me with.

Anteater 03-20-2017 12:53 PM

Yeah, he's not getting impeached anytime soon. If just telling lies was the only parameter that mattered, Obama would have been impeached within his first two years.


Key 03-20-2017 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1815305)
His popularity is low as hell but 37% are still behind the guy. A good chunk of them fervently so.

That was another factor I was curious about. How low does someone's popularity need to be before he himself is no longer allowed to call the shots?

elphenor 03-20-2017 12:53 PM

About 40% of our population are isolated rural folk 100+ years behind the modern world

This makes our conservative side very radical and it's the cause for the divide in US politics

That's how the guy with a 37% approval rating could be president for 8 years

This wouldn't be a problem except our system is undemocratic and grants rural voters more power than urban voters

Key 03-20-2017 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1815309)

This makes are conservative side very radical and it's the cause for the divide in US politics

Well, it seems radical when the democrats are too lazy to come up with anything to fight back.

Frownland 03-20-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1815308)
That was another factor I was curious about. How low does someone's popularity need to be before he himself is no longer allowed to call the shots?

While it's not good for sure, low approval rating means nothing as far as impeachment goes. It could only hurt his go at incumbency really.

Key 03-20-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815312)
While it's not good for sure, low approval rating means nothing as far as impeachment goes. It could only hurt his go at incumbency really.

Ah, yeah. That's true I guess. It just seems like with such a low approval rating, people would stop listening and attempt to stop listening to government altogether. Though to be fair, you shouldn't listened to the government anyway.

Frownland 03-20-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1815310)
Well, it seems radical when the democrats are too lazy to come up with anything to fight back.

Bernie?

The Batlord 03-20-2017 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815312)
While it's not good for sure, low approval rating means nothing as far as impeachment goes. It could only hurt his go at incumbency really.

Well it could also hurt the desire for those in his party to go out of their way to ally with him if they don't see as much benefit were he more popular.

Key 03-20-2017 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815314)
Bernie?

Bernie was more active during his campaign than Hillary and Trump combined, so that's nonsense. However the dems felt it was their responsibility to put someone in that wasn't popular.

elphenor 03-20-2017 12:57 PM

Don't even get me started on gerrymandering

Democrats have overall been winning more votes and yet losing the house and Senate For like 10-20 years now

Frownland 03-20-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1815316)
Bernie was more active during his campaign than Hillary and Trump combined, so that's nonsense.

Huh?

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However the dems felt it was their responsibility to put someone in that wasn't popular.
True, but it was close and some of us at least tried to not run an embarrassment candidate.

Key 03-20-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1815317)
Don't even get me started on gerrymandering

Democrats have overall been winning more votes and yet losing the house and Senate For like 10-20 years now

My only point is that it may only be an illusion that the Republican party is radical, where in relation to the Democratic party, the Republican party is just doing its job. A few exceptions of course.

Key 03-20-2017 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1815318)
Huh?



True, but it was close and some of us at least tried to not run an embarrassment candidate.

I was going to edit and say I mistook what you typed but I knew you'd respond quick. I got what you were saying now.

I won't say anything in regards to the other candidates since Stein and Johnson were both a joke, Stein more than Johnson obviously.

The Batlord 03-20-2017 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1815317)
Don't even get me started on gerrymandering

Democrats have overall been winning more votes and yet losing the house and Senate For like 10-20 years now

It boggles my mind that Congress is allowed to decide how voting districts are laid out. It's like giving a serial rapist free room and board and a skeleton key at a sorority house.


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