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Old 09-30-2017, 12:02 AM   #1011 (permalink)
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This might apply since Trump is obviously using his partisan base to try and influence the owners.

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18 U.S. Code § 227 stipulates that any federal employee, member of Congress, or member of the executive branch is forbidden from using their position within the federal government to influence the employment decisions of a private business, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation. The penalty for doing so could result in fines and incarceration of up to 15 years, and anyone who is found guilty of violating that law could even be disqualified from holding office:

(a)Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—

(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or

(2) influences or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honour, trust, or profit under the United States.
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Old 09-30-2017, 12:21 AM   #1012 (permalink)
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This might apply since Trump is obviously using his partisan base to try and influence the owners.
I appreciate your use of the word might. Here are my thoughts on the law as it applies to this.

If (1) applies to this case, then he's good because he's just saying "well how nice if [lame pandering that doesn't reference legal action]". That's not threatening an act. Easy.

(2) is where it gets tough. The use of the word influence is extremely ambiguous, do you have any cases that establish precedence for that? You yourself have told me that the president is an incredibly influential figure and that people will glob onto his actions regardless of their ethical nature. So according to that law, anything that a president does that causes someone else to do something is illegal, which would put every president in jail which makes me think that there's more to the picture than that. If I had a legal definition for influence that aligned with this case, I would probably agree with you, but I'm too lazy to find it myself.

Imo, it's just a very blatant display of a traditional PR tactic from a person who is not used to being a figure with an almost UNPRECEDENTED(!!!!!!!) amount of scrutiny directed towards every breath he takes on a scale that's large enough for people to not just roll their eyes at it. Not that most of the breaths he takes aren't polluted from the oil companies he takes bribes from etc etc however much qualifying it takes to get you to actually see my point, of course. Either this boilover will fizzle out and be forgotten when the heat is adjusted or it will lead to some actual SCOTUS/Congressional decisions that could put Trump in a pinch. For now, my money's on the former because I gamble on politics like a good citizen.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:58 AM   #1013 (permalink)
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we're gonna get that joke tax plan though p much inevitable

at the end of the day every other issue is a distraction compared to handing the rich a larger slice of the pie

are you guys ready for all the TRICKLE DOWN headed our way
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:36 AM   #1014 (permalink)
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heres a 2nd source.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...warning-243324
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Old 09-30-2017, 09:08 AM   #1015 (permalink)
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So according to that law, anything that a president does that causes someone else to do something is illegal.
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Trump is urging his republican base to boycott NFL games, by not going to them or not watching them on TV, unless the NFL CEOs do something (fire them or create new workplace rules) in regard to their employees.

People boycotting NFL games would directly affect the CEOs revenue stream (private business income): loss of ticket sales, loss of concession sales, loss of parking fees, loss of souvenir sales, decrease of ad revenue if TV ratings were to go down, etc.

If nothing else, you would think Trump's goverment appointed legal team would be advising him back off with the NFL rhetoric.


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Trump attacks San Juan mayor over hurricane response - CNNPolitics

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Old 09-30-2017, 09:43 AM   #1016 (permalink)
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Do you know of any precedence that establishes a legal definition for what would be considered influence? It's an incredibly slippery slope. For example, this would be illegal under a loose interpretation, but is it really? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...skins/2927351/
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"If I were the owner of the team and I knew that the name of my team — even if they've had a storied history — was offending a sizable group of people, I'd think about changing it." Obama said.
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President Trump on Sunday suggested fans boycott the National Football League until owners punish players who kneel in protest during the pregame national anthem, fueling and expanding a controversy that has raged since last season. “If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend!”
See the difference?

I can't find any precedence because, well, something like this is UN-PRECEDENTED.
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Old 09-30-2017, 10:26 AM   #1018 (permalink)
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So you can't establish that it's illegal. Got it.

This is what that legislation was borne from. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_Project

Given that precedence because that's the way that law works, it would only be illegal if Trump said something like fans should boycott the NFL because it's full of Democrats because that would be acting solely on political affiliation.

You keep promising nails in the coffin, all I see is staples.
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we're gonna get that joke tax plan though p much inevitable

at the end of the day every other issue is a distraction compared to handing the rich a larger slice of the pie

are you guys ready for all the TRICKLE DOWN headed our way
Well, if you **** against a wall it's sure to trickle down, isn't it?
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Old 09-30-2017, 11:00 AM   #1020 (permalink)
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Getting tense in Catalonia now. Police told to shut down the polling booths by 6am tomorrow, guys are occupying them now in advance so they can't be shut down tomorrow. Just seen a guy in a school being asked what they're doing by a reporter, "We're here to celebrate the start of autumn." "Nothing to do with the referendum then?" "No."

Catalan referendum: Activists occupy school ahead of vote - BBC News

Seems like there will be trouble tomorrow. Surely it would be better to allow the referendum but make it clear it's not legally binding.
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