Your Southern card. Hand it over.

I mean they have suicide nets at factories and I don't take it at all for granted that Chinese workers don't work six straight graveyards at Chinese 7-11.

Unless he has the misfortune of living in Hong Kong shops actually close so people can go home.

America is #1 at spreading the coronavirus!

Reap what you sow.

well, there are pros and cons to both yes but in terms of something like abuses of human rights or civil liberties I think it's pretty clear China is in a league of their own

The US incarceration rate is shameful but comparing us to China in that regard is tricky. China has a severely lower crime rate. They have a 99% conviction rate for crimes taken to trial. They don't include pre trial detainees and political prisoners in their official incarceration stats. They supposedly lead the world in executions by a large margin, though the exact number is a closely guarded state secret, as are so many other things in China surrounding their human rights record.

None of this is to excuse our own justice system, which as I said is insanely barbaric for a first world democracy.

And also the cops in Japan can keep you in custody for days until you confess.

Sometimes innocent people get locked up in Japan. The police coerce confessions out of them, even though they are sometimes not guilty.

This recent case is a good example:

https://japantoday.com/category/crim...ears-in-prison

But yeah I think this gets to the heart of the matter. China's worst excesses are expressed inward. It's worse to be subject to Chinese oppression as a Chinese citizen than it is for any other citizen of any other country.

Whereas while American capitalism and imperialism grounds its own citizens into the dirt in a real way, it's way more preferable to be subject to it as an American citizen than it is to be subject to it as a citizen of some third world country America and its corporations are draining of resources and lives for the benefit of the homeland. Just like how it probably sucked to be subject to the excesses of British inhumanity a century ago as a British lower class citizen, but you were still better off than a native of India or China under British vampirism.

In Japan the police don’t just **** with people for no reason and they don’t murder people as a normal matter of course. They also don’t let weaker prisoners get raped time and time again.

America CAUSES more misery than any other country on earth.

Yeah I'm not even disputing that. I still think I'd rather be an American citizen in America than a Chinese citizen in China. Nothing is as simple as "thing bad therefore nothing good". I'm sure I'd rather be working at an Apple store than I would be working in a mine in the Congo mining rare earth metals for use in phone and laptop batteries used in Apple store products, but that's not because America is morally superior to the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

But the stereotype that everyone in those countries live that way are overblown by Americans. Our stats of blacks who spend their lives in and out of the system rival anything on the planet.

But it’s refreshing to argue about whether or not we’re the worst instead of pretending we’re free and the best.

So? Based on your logic, since every single American doesn't face poverty, America isn't as bad as everyone says. Quit wasting your time on morons and recognize that two things can suck at the same time.

I don't know how people live in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, but I do know that American corporations exploit the Democratic Republic of the Congo and that children work in those mines to provide me with phones and laptops. It's probably better to work in an Apple store than it is one of those mines but that doesn't mean I condemn the Democratic Republic of the Congo and praise America.

The reason I don’t respond to this very sound argument is because those countries aren’t killing me. I’m biased against America and it’s a personal vendetta. Even if my vitriol is overstated or even more simply not true I don’t care. **** America.

Well then your arguments aren't based in reality and can't be convincing to anyone but you.

Idgaf anymore. I’m post-truth. I’m post-meaning. And I think those qualities are working for others. Just keep repeating it and show no shame in self-contradiction. Back on the horse again. Rinse repeat. Second verse same as the first. 1234.

I'm cuter than Post Malone.

Like, I actually understand the gist of what you're saying. The firehose method of propaganda used by Putin and Trump to confuse reality by simply applying the benefit of the doubt in ways that are impossible to deal with have been used in less explicit forms exactly all of human history to make people less sure of themselves, and I can see how our using facts and logic can do the same to you in a way that is honest but in 99% of human discourse ends up with tricking the person into falling into #normal ways of thinking even when accepting those ideas didn't require falling into those ways of thinking and the people inserting facts and logic weren't even attempting to subvert free thought.

It's just the way human social behavior works. It's about conformity, not enlightenment.

Hell yeah son

All the more reason we need robot authoritarians.

****. Yes. Military school sucked ass but one thing I don't miss is having my entire life dictated so I don't have to worry about choice.

Watching an interview with Chuck Schumer.

He called for this to be declared a national emergency on Jan. 26

Trump gains support by blaming it on the “impeachment hoax”

Just recently I was trying to read some stuff by Willard Van Orman Quine who was a philosopher whose ideas about linquistics influenced Chomsky.

I was reading it without any notes on what it means and it’s over my head but I still think what he was getting at was the more you break language down the less meaning it has and since it’s meaningless at a super micro level there’s always that ghost of ambiguity at the level of basic communication.

So next is just my own thought about that but if you can use that ghost of ambiguity inside the words effectively and you use verbal communication as a means to power it works. People who never or only rarely read have far less experience with language so they get tripped up easier. And you can’t build these skills through short fragments like on twitter and Facebook. You actually have to read books. Even more challenging, you even need to read books that aren’t fun to read.

Bro reading books and becoming politically engaged doesn't make you immune to manipulation. It just changes how you are manipulated. I mean Fox News exists on this premise. And it's true for many who scoff at Fox News.

Well, I didn’t say it makes you immune. I’m only saying if you don’t read you’re much more vulnerable.

So, abortion. I am against it it in most cases. However I also do not like the idea of the government telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body. I believe it should be limited. I also believe the government should not be funding Planned Parenthood simply because the federal government should not be subsidizing any private business. Democrats need to stop with the abortion scare tactics. Roe V Wade is not going anywhere and even if it magically vanished it would simply become a states issue and most states would allow abortion with certain restrictions.

Such an old issue. Everyone knows that abortion should be allowed until 6 weeks after birth, just like a Walmart exchange policy.

Have you ever seen a real video of a woman having an abortion? It’s sexy af. I have no idea why abortion porn isn’t bigger. The look on a woman’s face the moment the fetus is destroyed is the gold standard in erotica

Here’s a full history of my comments on this fantastic subject

https://www.musicbanter.com/search.php?searchid=7299589

I think you’ll come around to issue once you get a handle on ... just jack off to an abortion and you’ll get it.

3000 and a free video - get that **** online ASAP.

I woke up soft :(

Take it to PM, you two and calm the **** down.

Make one more post and then never post again.

https://i.imgur.com/a9WIv3n.jpg

:laughing:

I considered doing that back when I was at 665 posts.

the stat I saw was that it's about 60 something % in America

And no that last part is untrue. The way the US convicts so many people is by scaring them into taking a plea deal. The way China does it is by depriving them of legal representation. It's far from a scenario where only guilty people are taken to trial.

even if that's true (which I don't necessarily agree with; i'd say you could make that argument for American prosperity more than civil liberties) that doesn't change my original point tbh

It's not over till the fat lady sings

Hey, Steph, get over here!

I hate you

Sanders quit.

*Sigh*

Another election where I vomit after voting blue.

I just don't want Trump appointing two more SC Justices. Biden can sleep fart his way through four years if it means the courts stay balanced.