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Frownland 10-01-2017 01:48 PM

You're about 63% right.

MicShazam 10-01-2017 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1878681)


"Social anarchism (sometimes referred to as socialist anarchism)[1] is a non-state form of socialism[2] and is considered to be the branch of anarchism that sees individual freedom as being dependent upon mutual aid.[3]

Social anarchist thought emphasizes community and social equality as complementary to autonomy and personal freedom.[3] They also advocate the conversion of present-day private property into social property or the commons, while retaining respect for personal property.[4] "


Hmm... ok, I see. I have a feeling that any social anarchist society would soon devolve into pure anarchism unless something else breaks it apart first. No way humans will just agree to be nice to each other just out of a kind heart for any exteneded period of time. The strong will attempt to place themselves on top, the weak will be trampled underfoot.

Frownland 10-01-2017 01:50 PM

That's what the thunderdome is for.

Chula Vista 10-01-2017 02:25 PM

So Rex Tillerson is in China meeting with North Korean officials trying to smooth over all of the recent Trump rhetoric using a diplomatic approach. That's the job of the US Secretary of State. Kudos.

Cool. Maybe both sides will calm their jets and let things go back to a simmer as opposed to the current rolling boil.

Maybe, there's hope.






Nope.

Trump's today: "Rex Tillerson is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man. Save your energy Rex, we’ll do what has to be done!”

MicShazam 10-01-2017 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1878691)
So Rex Tillerson is in China meeting with North Korean officials trying to smooth over all of the recent Trump rhetoric using a diplomatic approach. That's the job of the US Secretary of State. Kudos.

Cool. Maybe both sides will calm their jets and let things go back to a simmer as opposed to the current rolling boil.

Maybe, there's hope.






Nope.

Trump's today: "Rex Tillerson is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man. Save your energy Rex, we’ll do what has to be done!”

Trump is a bigger danger to world peace than North Korea ever was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1878692)
Socialism simply means workers own the factories

Anarchy is a society without a centralized government

Then who's going to make sure the workers retain ownership of the means of production? That's the problem with anarchism right there.

I hate governments, but they are necessary. Anarchy and true libertarianism could never work.

MicShazam 10-01-2017 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1878695)
Uh

the workers mate

Some group will band together and decide that they will now take control of the means of production. Who will stop them? The workers aren't organised to utilize their power to resist a hostile takeover. They will end up being exploited. That's how social anarchism ends.

Pardon me if I'm a pessimist, but I think human beings need to be better than they actually are for anarchism to work.

EDIT: Didn't catch your own edit there, so here's a response to that.

"And I know "society different than what I'm used to could never work" is a popular argument but anarchic societies have literally worked in history so you're just wrong"

I would love to believe that it's possible, but power hungriness, aggressiveness, greed, bigotry and prejudice is inherently human and I fail to see how such a system would not break apart on it's own in time. Sure, the US might have cute attempts at same short by intervening at various times in the past, but do you really think anarchist socialism would have lasted without any sort of outside meddling pulling it apart? It's a nice dream for sure.

Another thing: I'm sure that the best way to structure a society is something we haven't done yet. No societal model we've done yet really, truly worked.

The Batlord 10-01-2017 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1878695)
Uh

the workers mate

And I know "society different than what I'm used to could never work" is a popular argument but anarchic societies have literally worked in history so you're just wrong

One charismatic sociopath populist and the workers will bend over backwards to eat ****.

Chula Vista 10-01-2017 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1878694)
Trump is a bigger danger to world peace than North Korea ever was.

Just yesterday Tillerson reported that all lines are open and discussions were going well. Ya, I know, that and $4.79 will get you a Starbucks. But it's a step in the right direction.

Less than 24 hours later Trump undermines his SOS and tells him he's wasting his time, while tossing more insults at KJU.

The rest of the world is watching and wondering whether it's even worth it to negotiate with Tillerson since Trump just rendered him a complete politcal limp dick.

HTF are there still people in the US dumb enough to turn a blind eye to all of this and stand behind the tool in chief?

MicShazam 10-01-2017 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1878693)
Is the only thing stopping you from murder the government?

the 2nd part well they did get trampled by literally Hitler, because communists can't really have armies unless they want to starve their people

however the history of the region created a culture where such a society worked

No, I quite like getting along with my fellow citizens. The problem is that without a government that has the power and right to exert violence on it's citizens, people who aren't quite as nice as me will band together and be unstoppable in their nefarious pursuits. Taking control of an area with no centralized military protection is easy. Am I being overly pessimistic here?

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1878701)
this is why I mentioned that before WW2 in a region of Spain there was a perfectly operational anarcho communist society

the culture was such that if say one greedy individual tried to profit for himself he would face intense opposition from the workers who loved what they had built and had probably lost family members in fighting for it

in order to understand this though you really have to look at what these people went through to get to their Utopian esque society and the development of a left wing culture that could foster it

there's a documentary I can rec if you're interested with accounts from people who actually lived there

I would watch that if I could have easy access to it, so by all means drop a link.

MicShazam 10-01-2017 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1878700)
Just yesterday Tillerson reported that all lines are open and discussions were going well. Ya, I know, that and $4.79 will get you a Starbucks. But it's a step in the right direction.

Less than 24 hours later Trump undermines his SOS and tells him he's wasting his time, while tossing more insults at KJU.

The rest of the world is watching and wondering whether it's even worth it to negotiate with Tillerson since Trump just rendered him a complete politcal limp dick.

HTF are there still people in the US dumb enough to turn a blind eye to all of this and stand behind the tool in chief?

For people who are not paying attention, I have a feeling Trump still just somehow symbolizes "rebellion against the establishment". To be fair, the contemporary geopolitical scene is a confusing mess.

Janszoon 10-01-2017 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1878651)
I've been reading a book about spanish political and cultural history recently and there's no doubt that Spain has a history with authoritarianism, but still, in 2017? Really makes my heart sink.

How long time ago was it that your familily fled Spain? After WW2 or something like that?

It was before WW2, though my aunt also lived there in the 60s.

Oriphiel 10-01-2017 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by common sense (Post 1878739)
and how did that end?

The ghosts of the anarcho commies came back as alts to troll Spain.

Trollheart 10-01-2017 06:13 PM

I'm lazy, so someone tell me, is the current Spanish Govt considered right wing, and if not, are the right fuelling this violence against Catalonia at all? Kind of "only real Spaniards" thing. Of course, then they'd want them to declare independence and **** off. Confusing. But either way, cracking down in an authoritarian way like this is just plain wrong and will backfire on the Spanish govt, especially in the international community. How long before this action is condemned by other countries, if it has not already been?

Zhanteimi 10-02-2017 09:44 PM

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Stephen 10-03-2017 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1878700)
Just yesterday Tillerson reported that all lines are open and discussions were going well. Ya, I know, that and $4.79 will get you a Starbucks. But it's a step in the right direction.

Less than 24 hours later Trump undermines his SOS and tells him he's wasting his time, while tossing more insults at KJU.

The rest of the world is watching and wondering whether it's even worth it to negotiate with Tillerson since Trump just rendered him a complete politcal limp dick.

HTF are there still people in the US dumb enough to turn a blind eye to all of this and stand behind the tool in chief?

Yeah guy who stands to profit financially from war undermines diplomatic efforts. Nothing corrupt as **** about that.

Paul Smeenus 10-11-2017 06:42 PM


Anteater 10-11-2017 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1882022)

Begs the question though: how can Pence get triggered by something if the whole walking out thing was staged?

OccultHawk 10-11-2017 07:14 PM

If he had a tantrum link to his tantrum not to some boring **** talking about it.

Neapolitan 10-11-2017 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1882022)

He sounds like Alex Jones, even though he vehemently denies sounding like Alex Jones.

I remember asking my brother do they sing the national anthem before a football game. This was about a year or two ago. I told him I remember Bocephus' "Are You Ready for Some Football" and then Carrie Underwood's "Sunday Night Football Theme," but not the national anthem. I was tempted to think that NFL thought it was not PC to show patriotism before the game, and I told him what I thought. His response was "no, they pre-empt it to show commercials, but at the stadium they do the anthem." Fast-forward to the present, now the show the anthem but now with the added controversy. The anthem didn't mean much until "Spangle-gate." Every part of it is fabricated drama, imo.

Chula Vista 10-12-2017 02:39 PM

Quick list of Flag Etiquette Don’ts from:

www.military.com

Don’t dip the U.S. Flag for any person, flag, or vessel.
Don’t let the flag touch the ground.
Don’t fly flag upside down unless there is an emergency.
Don’t carry the flag flat, or carry things in it.
Don’t use the flag as clothing.
Don’t store the flag where it can get dirty.
Don’t use it as a cover.
Don’t fasten it or tie it back. Always allow it to fall free.
Don’t draw on, or otherwise mark the flag.
Don’t use the flag for decoration.

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...03&oe=5A4453D8

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...b9&oe=5A3E16DC

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...9c&oe=5A72AF63

The USA have been disrespecting our flag forever. And then there's this:


The Batlord 10-12-2017 02:41 PM

I mean flag etiquette is dumb as **** cause who cares? But it's still funny to see flag-worshipping conservatives be so ignorant.

Goofle 10-12-2017 02:41 PM

Exposed by Chula Vista.

Cuthbert 10-12-2017 02:41 PM

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/emil....jpg?width=960

Frownland 10-12-2017 02:46 PM

Use the flag however the **** you want. Putting unquestionable power into symbols is for brownshirts.

OccultHawk 10-12-2017 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1882278)

I'll be damned. That's sexy.

Anteater 10-12-2017 03:17 PM

That's a real hot Mo-hama-Mama Jihad

Goofle 10-12-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1882288)
I'll be damned. That's sexy.

https://em.wattpad.com/50f7d56a85dab...&w=1280&h=1280

The Batlord 10-12-2017 03:47 PM

Yeah she's kinda ugly.

OccultHawk 10-12-2017 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1882314)
Yeah she's kinda ugly.

So? Ugly women have been my bread and butter. Respect the vagina, son.

Stephen 10-12-2017 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1882490)
Respect the vagina, son.

Vaginas are a scam.

The Batlord 10-12-2017 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1882556)
Vaginas are a myth.

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Stephen 10-12-2017 11:05 PM

Well I know they're not a myth because many people came out of one.

Frownland 10-12-2017 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1882564)
Well I know they're not a myth because many people came out as one.

My name is Bono and this is my story.

The Batlord 10-12-2017 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1882564)
Well I know they're not a myth because many people came out of one.

But have you ever actually seen it happen?

Chula Vista 10-13-2017 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1882569)
But have you ever actually seen it happen?

Twice.

http://img39.laughinggif.com/pic/HTT...MDIyMzclog.gif

The Batlord 10-13-2017 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1882584)

One of Them.

Chula Vista 10-13-2017 01:09 AM

??????????

Impossible to explain. Let's just say that Ridley Scott was inspired by the experience.

Fruits of my loins. Photo was taken at this place:

https://i.imgur.com/v96WEg3.jpg

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...60&oe=5A7091B2

The Batlord 10-13-2017 09:17 AM

If Chula's kids had just been born then I'd totally get why he always wants to show pictures of them to strangers.

Frownland 10-13-2017 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1882670)
If Chula's kids had just been born then I'd totally get why he always wants to show pictures of them to strangers.

This is Alex, he lives right down the street from me. Real nice kid.

https://www.bestcures.org/wp-content...hairline-1.jpg

The Batlord 10-13-2017 09:28 AM

Taking my mom for a walk.

https://www.animalreikisource.com/wp...tion-Large.jpg


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