So far he's still in the lead with black people in the polls, even after the famous moment in the first debate. Being associated with Obama seems to be taking him a long way.

Ugh. Why can't people be better at knowing things.

Literally why democracy is a sham.

Supposedly Biden does better with older black voters than he does with young ones, where as with Bernie the trend is reversed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ics/index.html

That being said the same general trend applies to all races. Biden appeals more to the 40+ crowd and Sanders appeals more to the youth. And across the board Biden currently is the clear front runner in general, and even more so with potential black voters.

Older crowds tend to vote more in actual elections as well - which these polls don't reflect.

Yeah but Sanders is still doing better with white voters than black ones. He needs to get aggressive here in order to win. His base has remained steady but he hasn't seen nearly enough growth.

on the other hand, the youth is used to the candidates in the general election being boring run of the mill politicians. The closest we ever had to a candidate that appealed to the youth was Obama in 08.

The real key part is somehow getting these people to vote in the primaries - which virtually nobody seems to do.

Probably because political talk is filtered through middle class CNN speak.

If this is the F word it's not very accurate. We don't have enough money to support a family.

https://time.com/4435058/millennials-virgins-sex

I'm struggling a little to understand Biden's appeal unless you just love him sniffing Pepe The Frog or something.

Why do people like Guns N Roses? Because they already know about them.

Used to be. That's changing via the Internet.

heh. That didn't stop my parents.

Nah it's the smart phones, the use of social media, the alienation, the general lack of IRL social skills. Imo.

Nobody I know ever had to be financially stable to get laid. Maybe to find a long term mate and settle down. But again, that was the last thing on a 20 year olds mind when I was younger.

Don't forget TV and video games. Generations of kids who spent their time in front of a TV rather than socializing does not increase ****ability.

Nah, those stereotypes are not true.

Not even talking about violent TV or video games. That's boomer fear mongering. Just the general trend of kids staying inside rather than being outside with other people. With many kids the effect might be minimal, but with kids who are prone to isolation I'm sure it's a multiplier.

It's all relevant but TV and video games have been around since before I was born. Yet when I was in high school you still mostly had to learn how to socialize irl. By the time I was 20 Myspace and Facebook were just new avenues to meet women but it wasn't like you learned how to socialize from these platforms. Now we're dealing with a generation that grows up in an era where face to face socializing is less common than the electronic form. So maybe they don't exactly know what to say or do irl approaching a girl. And things like tinder don't exactly help as a replacement.

I've never met anyone IRL who played that

I think you're underestimating the effect on our generation. It was the 90s when school shootings became the hot rage after all. I think there's a lot of stuff to look at for that, but the increased isolation caused by TV and **** for those naturally prone to being isolated doesn't exactly sound innocent.

I've met several and majority had no problem getting laid and definitely didn't fit the stereotype.

@ Batlord

IIRC it was Columbine that set it off

A whole generation of homicidal maniacs were inspired by them

As more shootings happen, you see the influence this sort of act creates on other alienated and hopeless souls.

That's one thing I always think about. We've had guns capable of this sort of thing for a long long time. We've had mental health problems for even longer. The one new ingredient is the sort of folklore and legacy these shooters create them selves via the modern press.

My friend that has the biggest problems getting laid is actually extremely social and hates social media. He's not really that awkward either outside of his narcolepsy caused by sleep apnea where he'll just randomly fall asleep mid conversation if he's sitting down. He's just the guy that falls for any girl that shows him the slightest bit of attention and I guess that's off putting to most girls he's tried to get with.

We're taking general rules, it's not going to apply to everyone. There have always been people who can't/don't get laid. The new thing is a rising % of virgins.

This will turn virtually any girl off.

Yeah that's what I was referring to. 90s. I'm not putting that solely at the feet of TV and video games as the social upheavals of the past few decades have been crazy but I think TV and video games and now social media and the internet and iPhones are part of a perfect storm. Throw in out of whack gender roles for men, capitalism and constant TV advertising dehumanizing people into living commodities, and an ever worsening American dream and you get more and more school shootings as young men are overwhelmed by a world that no longer makes sense or cares for them (or anyone else for that matter but the girls aren't shooting up schools so that's not really the point).

I know it happened in the 90s but I think it had more to do with their resentment for how they were treated at school than TV and video games. Though I remember part of the press did blame Marilyn Manson.

I don't remember the stats but it's obviously more men than women but women are also trending in the same direction, IIRC.

The sad part is these girls are typically interested in him at first. Maybe he should just order a back page prostitute.

Then there's this one dude living at the neighboring friend's house who's ugly as ****, literally brain damaged and getting pussy every night. They say he was bringing home some pretty nasty looking girls though. Theory is that since he was working at the downtown library he was picking up homeless girls. Ahh Magna, you never cease.

Yeah like I said I'm not laying it entirely at the feet of TV and video games. I'm just saying that I think it's one part of youth society that's been growing over the decades that contributes to the growing alienation and malaise of young people that makes them feel that the world isn't real and doesn't mean anything and doesn't care about them. I mean throw in rising college costs in there too with all the other things I listed. Wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't some percentage of the problem.

They're interested until they realize he's not only attainable, but desperate.

Basically when you meet a girl it's a job interview and she's the employer. How far will fawning over how much you'd like to work there without bringing leverage to the table get you?

I hear what you're saying. But I also see a fundamental difference between that and actual socialization being mediated by technology. If anything the telephone is more of a precursor to Facebook than video games.

It's always a lack of confidence that screws people over. Wreaking of desperation is just a piece of it.

I think you're underestimating TV. I don't think it was until the 80s and 90s until households generally had more than one TV, with kids having a TV in their room. Just constant stimulation to keep them in the house and away from other kids. That's about when I remember playing outside the home becoming endangered.

I played outside a lot as a kid with TV and Videogames. I knew all the other children on the block. I think overprotective parents sheltering kids became the precursor. Most of the time it was video games or TV that we'd bond over. I think it's the internet. The internet has created an epidemic of social anxiety because you're putting your life up in front of millions of people that will judge it 10X more harsh than they do in person and people confuse that with real life.

Edit: People with more real life experience were less effected by it because they knew how different interacting with people on the internet was from interacting with people in person. Most kids aren't going to brag about ****ing your mom in person. Most huge political debates don't get as nasty and personal in person either.

I do think you have a point, it's just different from mine. There is a definite trend towards staying inside, which TV and video games help foster.

But like I said you still needed to actually deal with people IRL in some level to socialize.

Now you have far less need to do so. Whether you're in the home or out and about you can socialize via social media.

Also, I really didn't have many video games or cable TV growing up. I spent most of my childhood outside. I could roam free around the neighborhood by the time I was 5, and could go literally anywhere I wanted as long as I could get myself there and back the time I was 11. So maybe we also just had different experiences.

And don't forget the pedo panics of the 80s and 90s. Kids couldn't be let outside without supervision and certainly not after dark. It's like the world has been conspiring to keep kids away from other kids for the past few decades.

And I understand and agree with your point, jwb, I'm just saying that it didn't start with the internet and smart phones. Just like Columbine didn't happen because of smart phones. This is an epidemic of isolation that's been building for a long time.

I also wonder if income makes a difference because I don't think the lower class is as isolated.

Edit: Or was as isolated growing up.

Thank God my parents were irresponsible. I distinctly remember being 5 years old and hanging out with a group of kids on some weird 2 story machine/vehicle my neighbor had and my friend Steven somehow managed to put it in neutral and it started rolling down his driveway. We all scattered and he came out screaming at us and grabbed my friend Steven and started shaking him. It was classic.

tbh handheld gaming mostly just means i can take my game to the bathroom.

Speaking of which, I've been replaying Fire Emblem on the GBA, and I totally forgot that you can just turn the game off mid-battle and it'll automatically bookmark your progress for the next time you play. Now I have absolutely no reason to not vanquish bitches while I drop deuces.