They canned a show the other day because some dickhead nearly hit Syd with glass bottles.

^
That was in Detroit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDEyBBiqJ58

Hipster Runoff (although not the authority) classifies them as a buzz band, which is not far from the mark IMO.
Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All | HIPSTER RUNOFF
Runoff proposed that this "on stage meltdown" signified a part of the end of their good "buzz."
Who knows?
Tyler's new album dropped a few weeks ago and I think it did 50,000 in the first week, which isn't terrible.

Personally, I like and dislike their music.
I like the raps and beats, but the lyrics are not spectacular.
Tyler is steadfast in his opposition of the word "horrorcore" but I think that's a dangerous thing to do when he has so many hundreds of thousands of 14 year old impressionable hot topic shoppers following his music.

Brilliant marketing move.

I did not know who in the **** Tegan and Sara were before this letter. I actually listened to their music on their website to see what it was about. Too bad it was complete and utter crap.

They were actually pretty well-known beforehand.
I don't believe at all that it was a publicity stunt.
Fear of increased levels of homophobia, rape and domestic violence are very valid concerns when teenagers are pushed music featuring such crass and horrific lyrics.
Tegan and Sara, being lesbians, had legitimate concerns about the level of publicity achieved by OFWGKTA.
Although I like the group, it is nonetheless a strong concern how other people besides OFWGKTA, specifically young teens, are interpreting the music.
I'm sure not everyone takes it as a joke.

Musicians shouldn't have to walk on eggshells because there's a few crazies out there. People who actually take OFWGKTA seriously are probably ticking time bombs who would find another form of media to feed the void in their personalities if Odd Future didn't exist anyways.

I'd think MB members would understand expression of art and not come to Tegan & Sara's defense.

You walk a fine line with the argument of artistic expression when your core demographic is synonymous with that of Hot Topic.
That being said, I don't think what OFWGKTA or Tyler, the Creator are doing is honestly that new or fresh, it's just the new thing in the spotlight.
I like the music, but all of Tegan and Sara's arguments were legitimate IMHO.

It amazes me that people like you still don't get it. I'm not even saying I agree with everything Teagan and Sara (and others) have to say, but to call them ticking time bobms or crazy or whatever is just retarded.

Like is it really that tough for you to understand? Why WOULDN'T a gay female be at least slightly offended by a up-and-coming rapper, whose audience is largely impressionable teens, rapping primarily about killings ***gots and raping women? I don't understand how people like you consider THEM crazy because they... put out a letter on their website stating their disapproval. Oh man! How insane of them!! They are gay women and they oppose anti-gay and rape lyrics!?!?! TIME BOMBS!!!

And do you actually think anyone takes it super serious, as in thinking Tyler actually rapes or kills anyone? Surely they don't, and I feel like almost everyone realizes it's a character rapping... I wish I could think of a lifestyle equivalent that would be equally offensive to a white male, but I'm not sure there is one. But Like I said before, even as a character and obviously false, the black community would be OUTRAGED if someone as popular as Tyler (but white) was making half his songs about "killing niggers".

-Sorry for coming off as harsh, I don't hate you dude but this has been building up in this thread awhile cause it makes no damn sense to me how teagan and Sara are looked at as idiots because they oppose anti-gay and pro-rape lyrics.

Stop with the hot topic connection. Plenty of stupid artists with stupider messages have crap at hot topic, it really doesn't matter.
That being said? This sentence has nothing to do with anything...
It's not legitimate because it's targeted at odd future, even though plenty of "mainstream" hip hop artists have gotten away with real homophobia for decades and made plenty of money off it.

Wow lots of "you" statements in that post. You trying to guilt me into your viewpoint or something?

Also you obviously didnt get what I meant by ticking time bombs. I meant impressionable idiots who would listen to what Tyler was rapping about, believe in it, and act on it (i.e., killing ***gots and raping women). Had nothing to do with T&S

I dont agree with the double standard about how it's ok to rap about killing gays but not black people either.

Personally I wouldnt be offended if a rapper rapped about killing crackers. Maybe its because I don't consider my race a huge part of my identity? I mean, my whiteness doesn't dictate any part of my personality.

I don't know but I feel I could take the heat without getting offended, fully knowledgable that its a work of fiction. Obviously not everyone feels the same.

Well I was talking to YOU. That;s why 'YOU' was in my response, I'm not sure how that has anything to do with 'guilting you into my viewpoint' or whatever. I wouldn't be offended by anti-white comments either, but recognize that white men are the least oppressed people throughout the history of this country and we are still the majority. And ok, forget I said about ticking time bombs, you're still calling them crazy aren't you?? Please just tell me what is so crazy about gay women opposing anti-gay, rape lyrics?? I'm not being sarcastic with any of this, I literally don't understand why YOU and others either don't understand or hate how they handled it. It's not like they are all over national TV bashing Tyler, they made a post on their website about it.

Because nobody is asking her to listen to it. All rap music is listened to by "impressionable" (oh my god, the poor children-what will they become!?!!) teens.

These hypothetical scenarios as an argument for why odd future is wrong are so ****ing stupid you guys are getting me real life pissed off.
Nobody is calling them idiots, they just are wrong, even if its for the right reasons (which it isnt)

Just because nobody asked her to listen doesn't mean it's any less offensive to her. Odd Future has a considerably large following as and 'up and coming' rap group. So because Tyler didn't ask her to give them a listen, she shouldn't be offended? That's unbelievably stupid, please correct me if I'm interpreting you wrong.


It's not about them being right or wrong, it's about why people in this thread have a problem with their comments. The hypothetical scenario is a great example and parallel to what we are talking about. If a white guy made a CD which featured a lot of lyrics about "killing niggers" I bet most of you wouldn't challenge the black community that got outraged and pissed off about it. I think you'd even go as far as to join in their opposition. Maybe because it's gay women, you're prejudice shows a little bit? I'm not suggesting, just wondering aloud. Because I think opinions would be very different if it were anti-black lyrics being spewed. And again, there's nothing wrong with that hypothetical.

I dont hate Tegan & Sara (there music is a different story). I just have to ask what the point was of the post? How is this any different from the misogyny and homophobia thats been hip hop subject matter for decades?

Christianity has a huge following too. They're not that into homosexuality either, maybe she should go out of her way to pay attention to it and attack it.
It's not a great example because for it to work you have to assume that odd future's music is sincere and has an agenda, and we can both agree that this isn't the case.

Like i said last time this bullshit came up, is that their definetly has been racist rap before, and it didn't become popular because most people can tell the difference(maybe you cant)between dark satirical humor and and legit hate.

hey, i even found some for ya
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=276238

dude c'mon, i'm not going to let you bait me like this. I love all my sista's equally.

YouTube - ‪Fans Stage Rushing Odd Future (NYC)‬‏

Hectic show.

Stop with the connection?
It's very relevant because they seem to want to make him their next poster child right now. I've seen countless HT ads featuring Tyler, they're building off the buzz.
What I meant by "That being said" was that many artists who have been sponsored by Hot Topic in the past have featured horrific and shocking lyrics, like Wu Tang Clan. What I meant by the sentence was that I can see the unfairness behind the criticism, but it has a lot to do with the context in which OFWGKTA has been introduced.
Basically, you're arguing that two wrongs make a right.
If Tegan and Sara don't target everyone, they can't target anyone.
So what if they're targeting Odd Future?
OFWGKTA happens to be the biggest buzzband that's come about in a while, and they have more horrifying lyrics than most groups.
These lyrics can easily be misconstrued with a teenage audience.
Seems legitimate to me.

By the way, good job with the condescending, pretentious attitude.
Why is it that a normal, rational discussion has to take that tone?
I did very little to provoke a response such as the one you provided.
I'm glad to see that people mature.

Also, let me say that its not their opinions on Tyler, the Creator that bothers me about Tegan & Sara. It's this "call for change" they speak of. No, I dont want the world getting more PC then it already is. Because really, where do you draw the line on censorship? There'll always be someone out there offended by something.

So your saying it's bad that a corporate chain that has a long history sponsoring "horrific and shocking" acts decides to continue doing so?

No, my argument was that they should direct the criticism towards hip hop in general. I hear Lil Wayne on the radio (which gets played to millions of impressionable teens) say stuff like "after i bust a nut on her ill bust my gun and get rid of her"?
I'm all for cultural change in hip hop, just don't target the one group that is actually doing something positive.

Hey, it's the internet, interpret me however you want. Try going back and reading the post with a nice, soothing french accent.

Now the child comes out.
Well my line of argument is very different from the other member on here.
And, as I said previously, I like Tyler and OFWGKTA. I'm not just saying, "Oh they're wrong, and homophobes."
I'm trying to have a discussion based on a view of both sides of the coin, an ability you apparently lack.
By the way your spelling and demeanor are so bad you must be tweaking.
Or maybe just a prick, I can't tell either way.
Sorry to have provoked this terrible rage. I didn't know that you were actually in OFWGKTA.

:bowdown:

If only my internet persona could match the maturity of yours.

You must be a wonderful, gentle soul <3

Yes, you exposed me. I am in odd future, and we do in fact hate lesbians.

sorry guys :-/

LMAO okay let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
You do know that Odd Future is in it for the money right?
Their pursuit is not solely a noble endeavor fueled by dreams of lifting up the kids and bettering society.
Yes, I agree that Tyler puts out a great message, but calling Odd Future the only positive group in hip hop is slapping hundreds or thousands of others in the face.

Did i somehow insinuate otherwise? Of course they're in it for the money at this point, I hope they make lots of it.

Obviously they're many positive hip hop groups, Odd future, however, is the only one being attacked.

Yes, resort to the sarcasm, but you're the one who said that I'm so fucking stupid I'm getting you real life pissed off.
We probably don't have very different viewpoints on Odd Future or music in general, from what I remember of you on this forum.
It was elitist of you to talk down to me from the very beginning of the discussion.
The only reason I brought it up was because you've been on this site for 4 years.
It seems that you'd be nicer to fellow MB members, especially people who have been on longer than you.
I just recently started posting again and your posts just killed it a little for me.
I'm not trying to be better-than-thou, but IMO this isn't just the "internet," this is supposed to be a "community." The purpose is to have an inviting, good-natured place to discuss music and other topics.

Dude say what you want about my attitude but i did manage to keep the discussion on topic.

My demeanor really shouldn't matter as much as the points I am making, and in that respect I am totally on the ball.

I am genuinely sorry I ruined your internet community though, hopefully the other members will provide a warm fuzzy place you can feel safe in. :-)

MB Forum Rules
"General Rules:
• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts."

That is the first rule.
There is no rule discussing keeping topics on point, although that is encouraged.
I'd say lumping my arguments in with a bunch of others and saying that they're "fucking stupid" is purposeless and inflammatory. So... your argument above has little to no bearing.
This isn't supposed to be a *cushy* place, but there's no need to turn it into a SLSK forum.
I thought I got along with you before. Apparently not, but I'm sure that reflects on me somehow from a defensive, sarcastic, or elitist perspective.
Whatever.




Golf Wang, kill em all nigga triple six.
Back on topic.

Hey your guilty of all these too, just because you point it out first doesn't make it okay.

That wasn't even directed at anyone other then dirty, and he's from the streets he knows a man has to curse sometimes goddamit.

this is like having a girlfriend or something..

please refrain from such language, it offends me.

like

See here's my problem with this type of argument, it's like what they are saying is invalid because they aren't attacking every single group or person spewing anti-gay stuff?? Cmon man, if they posted a bunch of stuff opposing every group that is against gays, then the same people calling for that (you) would be mocking them for going out of there way to oppose all of these groups.


Yes we cna both agree, and I don't agree if T&S think they are dead serious. But I'm giving the hypothetic of a white guy making anti-black music as a 'character' and being insincere. I don't understand why it's totally ok to say it against gays or women but if someone attacked blacks, even sarcastically through lyrics, it'd still be a huge outrage don't ya think?

Are you guys done yet? I can't believe how much time I've wasted reading this crap.

Then GTFO that's the whole purpose of this forum's existence

To be honest this whole situation reminds me of a few lines that Em said years ago and all the censorship bull**** he had to go through. Idk why you are okay with forgetting about the past.


You know why? it's called white privilege.

Being black isn't a huge part of my individual identity but it's constantly thrown in my face all of the time because humans as a whole are superficial. If I walk into a store, I get stared at like I'm going to steal something. When you have to deal with racism on a daily basis then you will think differently about it.

I don't know. I get the whole "Oh my god, are you going to steal something?" eye, too.

Depends on what you look like AND where you live, I say.

I guess but that's only a small part of the racism I deal with. It's not like you get called cracker to your face daily do you?

I have more respect for the person who cops criticism and prejudice on the nose, and is really humble about it and just doesn't let it bother them than the person who kicks up a huge fuss. I think it's a great credit to your character if you can just brush aside all the prejudice without making a huge fuss about it, because at the end of the day there are always going to be judgemental dickheads out there who want to have a go.

my god the last two pages of this thread are ****ing RETARDED.

i find it completely stupefying that people can't separate satire from actual serious intent. i know that not everyone has the time or interest to listen through all of OF's work, but if y'all did, you'd find that a large part of their stuff is tongue-in-cheek or satirical.

if anything i'm glad these guys are around to make fun of alot of the stereotypical homophobia and misogyny that's rooted in hip-hop.

i'm not even saying that T&S shouldn't talk about the issue with lyrics that offend a certain group, if anything these are issues that are deep seated in the hip hop community and definitely need to be addressed, but just going after this group is asinine, especially considering the real misogynistic and homophobic performers in not just hip-hop but also other forms of music like rock or metal.

honestly the real issue with the "call for change" blogpost is that someone really DOESN'T GET A JOKE.

for example, a song like "Bitch Suck Dick" has lyrics that could be viewed as misogynistic, but in the context of the song, which also has the lyric does it even sound like something that should be taken seriously?

here's the thing, people may be attacking OF for homophobic/misogynistic lyrics, but there's also lyrics that can be seen as offensive to many different types of people, for ex, Tyler rapping about how his clothes are cotton like you can take that sort of offensiveness to the bank.

not only that but you could also find lyrics that contradict many of the so called homophobic or misogynistic verses, such as Tyler rhyming that he's going to wear a wedding dress or get raped by R. Kelly, or even how he cuts himself while ragging on emo kids.

like Tuna said before, if you're the type of person who would take this kind of stuff as some call to arms to start seriously hurting gays and women, there was something mentally f*cked up with you in the first place. it's all about CONTEXT. it's the same thing that makes sarcasm work, it's the same thing that can make a joke about dead babies or the holocaust funny to some people and not others. i get if someone doesn't find them funny, i'm not angry if they don't find it funny, but what irks me is people taking it more seriously than intended and acting like things like that were never joked about or uttered before that point.

you can talk about being politically correct all you want, but if people start censoring everything that's the least bit offensive out there, how the hell could we progress as a society? if you had to block things that would be seen as offending a group of people, wouldn't that mean banning music from oppressed groups against their oppressors? if you ask me, i'll take some Klan member down south singing about lynching n*ggers and killing sp*cs (i'm Hispanic, btw) if that means i have the freedom to express myself in the fullest regard. yes, that kind of messed up stuff is out there, but no one's making me listen to it.

Happened quite a bit in school, yeah.

I felt the need to quote and bold this because this sums up the whole issue with them only attacking one group instead of doing it on a higher level to the point where they address it in all genres of music.

If you want a so called call for change, that change isn't going to happen by going after one group that's only a small piece of a larger puzzle.

Sorry to hear that and yeah I know racism happens to all races but I'm glad you don't have to deal with it anymore.

I try not to let it bother me and just chalk it up to them being ignorant asses. I also try to show them that saying that word to me doesn't have any effect on me so they can say whatever they want. I'm not going to get riled up and react like they want me to.

Okay. My point is that their criticisms should be directed at the hip hop genre, not one particular artist who isn't even homophobic.





Well yeah. So would any ethnicity making fun of any other, I just don't see what this has to do with odd future. Odd Future isn't homophobic and your trying to make an analogy with a group that is racist.

You already have seen white artists like kreayshawn and her click use the n-word jokingly, and so far it hasn't been an issue, mostly because her demographic (similiar to tylers that is) gets the context, and understands it's not offensive.

speaking of kreayshawn do you happen to have her mixtape? if so, shoot me a PM.