Frownland

This post is so normie that it made me engage in small talk for 8 hours straight after reading it.

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The Batlord

I'm not talking about video games as post punk, I'm talking about how the way in which the video games industry exists affects the perception of video games as a whole. Video games as post punk is already happening with indie developers.

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The Batlord

It's not necessarily about emotion in the sense that a movie evokes emotion. That's beside the point because they're two different mediums. What a game evokes through its mechanics might not be obvious but if you're engrossed in those mechanics then you're experiencing art. Somebody (or people) imagined those mechanics and the effect that they would have on the human mind and designed them in such a way that they would affect you and that's art as much as any song or painting.

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Frownland

A snooker set would be art.

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The Batlord

Considering the overall vibe of video games and how they surround and enhance mechanics they're definitely art. Multiplayer games question this as they strip much of the artistic qualities of games to their core but tbh if sports in general produce the same kinds of mental states then I'd honestly say that it calls into question the concept of art in the same way that 4'33 does. The major differentiation might simply be the way that the entertainment value is quantified. I'm not enough of a hater to deny that physical sports don't ever have similar mental stimuli to some forms of art and to call that into question at the very least would require a very in-depth discussion of just what art is and what sports are.

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Key

https://www.musicbanter.com/media/81...deo-games.html

Just sayin

The Batlord

Yeah but that's art in the sense that other mediums can also be art. It's not specific to games and avoids the actual concept of how games can be art. The feeling you get from playing Mario is art tbh. The feeling you get from fighting the Covenant is art. Learning to play StarCraft is art. It's art because it affects how your mind works while you're playing it in a way that your mind could probably never feel without them. It's a mentally expansive feeling that is the product of another human being's imagination.

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Key

I was just posting it for reference. I obv believe that games specifically are considered art. The link is just to help with that.

The Batlord

I gotta expand on my point and not throw yours under the bus though. The graphics and character designs of Mass Effect are art sure, but it's the way that they come together to make a universe that immerses me that contributes to the art of the game. So graphics are certainly part of the art of games, they're just not necessarily as important as the actual mechanics, but they also can be depending on the game.

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Frownland

World-building, story-telling, suspense-building, etc. There's a lot at play in video games.

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