Unpopular Music Opinions

BastardofYoung · 05-14-2011, 08:52 AM

and that is called ignorance.

BastardofYoung · 05-14-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

I still stand by what I said.

Tell me though... how are they important?

To understand the importance of Nirvana you have to look at the mainstream before they broke with "Nevermind". What was popular at that time? It was mainly pop and corporate crap like Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer and the likes... when Nirvana broke they managed to put an end to all that and give exposure to more down home types of rock bands and get them exposure to the masses. Nirvana in that sense was the most important band of the 90's, if you are a fan of alt.rock, indie or any similar style, chances are your exposure to them was because of Nirvana's push to getting those bands exposure. They got them the attention of the market.

Nirvana would popularize alternative and give rise to many artists. Pavement did the same with Indie rock in the 90's, but even that was due to Nirvana the year before. Nirvana was the band that was needed to push the pop, fluff rap, hair metal and other styles like that to the backburner and open the door for many bands since.

Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, RHCP... lots of bands like that owe their success in the mainstream to Nirvana's success. Wether you like those bands or not, you can also add your own favorites.

Not only that, but Nirvana even name dropping a band and that band would get exposure and be signed. Meat Puppets for example, they got their big break just cause Nirvana name dropped them and later had them on Unplugged. Melvins as well. Butthole Surfers were another..

That is the importance of Nirvana.

You do not have to like them, but you can not say they were not a much needed kick in the ass at the time, and helped pave the way for many bands.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-14-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

To understand the importance of Nirvana you have to look at the mainstream before they broke with "Nevermind". What was popular at that time? It was mainly pop and corporate crap like Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer and the likes... when Nirvana broke they managed to put an end to all that and give exposure to more down home types of rock bands and get them exposure to the masses. Nirvana in that sense was the most important band of the 90's, if you are a fan of alt.rock, indie or any similar style, chances are your exposure to them was because of Nirvana's push to getting those bands exposure. They got them the attention of the market.

Nirvana would popularize alternative and give rise to many artists. Pavement did the same with Indie rock in the 90's, but even that was due to Nirvana the year before. Nirvana was the band that was needed to push the pop, fluff rap, hair metal and other styles like that to the backburner and open the door for many bands since.

Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, RHCP... lots of bands like that owe their success in the mainstream to Nirvana's success. Wether you like those bands or not, you can also add your own favorites.

Not only that, but Nirvana even name dropping a band and that band would get exposure and be signed. Meat Puppets for example, they got their big break just cause Nirvana name dropped them and later had them on Unplugged. Melvins as well. Butthole Surfers were another..

That is the importance of Nirvana.

You do not have to like them, but you can not say they were not a much needed kick in the ass at the time, and helped pave the way for many bands.

How are those rose tinted spectacles?

BastardofYoung · 05-14-2011, 09:10 AM

I will add looking at your last page..

2 of your top 3 artists. The Velvet Underground and Daniel Johnston. These were both popular before in their own right and may not owe to Nirvana's rise... but how much do you wanna wager they sold a lot more records because Nirvana covered "Here She Comes Now" and wore a "Hi, How Are You Today?" shirt. Those 2 also wound up with a lot more exposure at that time just cause of those 2 things.

They exposed a lot of artists and promoted a ton more.

All they had to do was say the name of a band and a whole generation of people who may not know them were buying their records.

BastardofYoung · 05-14-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

How are those rose tinted spectacles?

what reasons do you have to say otherwise?

You can not like Nirvana's music, fine... but they did have an impact and a legacy for that reason.

You have Bowie on your page as well, another wager of how many people now got their exposure to him cause Nirvana covered "The Man Who Sold the World"? (which I think Nirvana's version was greatly superior to Bowies, one of the few covers I like more than the original)

SGR · 05-14-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

How are those rose tinted spectacles?

Ahh...Urban's back. So Urban, shall we talk Mellon Collie or what?

On a side note, I think Radiohead's Hail To The Thief is underrated. I also think Wowee Zowee should be considered a classic 90's album.

Also, Bastard, I have to disagree about Bowie. He was hugely popular with or without Nirvana.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-14-2011, 09:15 AM

I never said I didn't like Nirvana.

I just think the hyperbole they're credited with these days is beyond exaggerated.

I was there, I saw it all first hand. They made a impact, no doubt about it. But it was very short lived and died pretty quickly.

TockTockTock · 05-14-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

I will add looking at your last page..

2 of your top 3 artists. The Velvet Underground and Daniel Johnston. These were both popular before in their own right and may not owe to Nirvana's rise... but how much do you wanna wager they sold a lot more records because Nirvana covered "Here She Comes Now" and wore a "Hi, How Are You Today?" shirt. Those 2 also wound up with a lot more exposure at that time just cause of those 2 things.

They exposed a lot of artists and promoted a ton more.

All they had to do was say the name of a band and a whole generation of people who may not know them were buying their records.

to the statement about VU.

I will admit that Cobain helped give attention to Johnston, though. But that doesn't make Nirvana anymore important. If anything Daniel Johnston influenced Nirvana.

Unknown Soldier · 05-14-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

It seems to me most people dislike them because "wah wah, they inspired Creed, wah wah they inspired Nickelback" or some people have a misconception about them writing meaningless rock (ala Kiss/ACDC) when most of their lyrics have a strong meaning. (Black, Immortality, Nothing As It Seems, Do The Evolution etc)

Given the fact that both Nirvana and Pearl Jam influenced nearly the whole post -grunge scene, its not surprising that they get a negative backlash.

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

Wait... so you're saying that just because some people don't think that Nirvana is "the best band to come out of rock" that means they are confused and need to figure it out for themselves?
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I don`t like the Rolling Stones, but I recognize that they are one of the best bands to come out of rock! I think anybody with any real knowledge of music, should be able to figure out that Nirvana were an exceptional band, whether they like them or not.

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

As for Black Sabbath, they are one of the most influential bands, but you don't often hear them being talked about either, especially on Music Banter. The original lineup released six amazing albums and two decent ones. Is there even a thread for Black Sabbath, there must be right?

Black Sabbath are talked about in the same vein as other classic bands, being metal though, probably sees them seem less appealing amongst the general music public.

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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah

Nirvana were not spectacular in any way, shape, or form. It's not snobbery to call them overrated, it's logic.

If a cult icon like Iggy Pop who symbolizes what rock is all about, says they are spectacular..........then they are!

BastardofYoung · 05-14-2011, 09:17 AM

Still what they did in that short time is more than many bands did over decades. It may of been a short lived thing, but their impact is still felt to this day. I do not even know a band I can mention who has the impact now that Nirvana did then, closest I can think of in terms of label interest is The Strokes.

05-14-2011, 08:52 AM	#5631 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	and that is called ignorance. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

05-14-2011, 09:10 AM	#5634 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	I will add looking at your last page.. 2 of your top 3 artists. The Velvet Underground and Daniel Johnston. These were both popular before in their own right and may not owe to Nirvana's rise... but how much do you wanna wager they sold a lot more records because Nirvana covered "Here She Comes Now" and wore a "Hi, How Are You Today?" shirt. Those 2 also wound up with a lot more exposure at that time just cause of those 2 things. They exposed a lot of artists and promoted a ton more. All they had to do was say the name of a band and a whole generation of people who may not know them were buying their records. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

05-14-2011, 09:15 AM	#5637 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I never said I didn't like Nirvana. I just think the hyperbole they're credited with these days is beyond exaggerated. I was there, I saw it all first hand. They made a impact, no doubt about it. But it was very short lived and died pretty quickly. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

05-14-2011, 09:17 AM	#5640 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	Still what they did in that short time is more than many bands did over decades. It may of been a short lived thing, but their impact is still felt to this day. I do not even know a band I can mention who has the impact now that Nirvana did then, closest I can think of in terms of label interest is The Strokes. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.