Unpopular Music Opinions

blackdragon123 · 08-11-2014, 02:10 PM

Discussing racial politics never ends badly.

Carpe Mortem · 08-11-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I think it's insulting how all those hip hop artists of the 80s & 90s stole so many samples & beats from white rock millionaires without giving them one ounce of credit.

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-11-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

@realtalk It was also a different time and yes, being white made a big difference. It got him radio play but that pushed people into thinking 'hey I like this kind of a tune,' which pushed them to look into other artists ie Little Richard and the rest of them. Elvis shouldn't be the official inventor of rock and roll but he's the king because of the advances made by bringing the style to the mainstream.

You're actually agreeing with those you're arguing with on this forum in my eyes. Even though it was a racist standard of the Caucus radio that pushed Elvis into fame (he was a ripoff artist but) he still brought the idea of a black mans music to the mainstream. I'm not saying this is okay, he was the poster boy of a different time, WHICH YOU SHOULD CONSIDER because without him the artists you had mentioned would see zero to .00005 percent of what the artist would see without Elvis or an artist like him.

Originator of rock and roll **** no. But in terms of helping the public learn about music you love he really is the king. Racism was rife in those times and I figured that you of all people would appreciate that since your favourite artists are born from the mentality inspired by Elvis.

He is not an innovator, but he is so overwhelmingly important that him being the first to ripoff black music in a rock n roll perspective is actually considerable. Hopefully you can see the situation in a wider context than '**** it's racist I gotta hate it right?' mentality like you have been since you joined this forum.

I agree with some of this but let me say a couple of things first...

You made a ton of contradictions in this post. First you say I agreed with the opposing posters and now you say I am not open minded but if I agreed with their points wouldn't that mean I can be open to wider perspectives? Were you trying to imply something else?

I don't hate Elvis but I do hate what his popularity and success at the expense of other African American artists represents. NOTHING good or beneficial can possibly come from racism because its so ugly and poisons deep so I completely disagree with the bolded if you were trying to imply that.

The whole concept with how Elvis became famous is still going on today, nothing has changed.

Fats Dominos was very popular and even Chuck before the rise of Elvis. So lets not act like these African American acts suddenly became popular because of Elvis. They were mostly popular within African American audiences and small white audiences because of segregation but they were still popular and had hits on the chart. I agree Elvis helped but it did not start with him.

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-11-2014, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by urban hat€monger ?

i think it's insulting how all those hip hop artists of the 80s & 90s stole so many samples & beats from white rock millionaires without giving them one ounce of credit.

lol!!

The Ascension · 08-11-2014, 05:37 PM

Funeral by Arcade Fire is crazy overrated (still very good, but not sure why people act like it's this ridiculous masterpiece on the level of London Calling or something)

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-12-2014, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Scotty The Redneck

I am just not a fan of the Alternative Rock ,i.e., The Stone Roses and The Smiths, that seems to be so popular on here. They are so blasé to me.

With you pal. I don't get it at all.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-12-2014, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Elvis created an entire new audience for the music. I don't see how adding numbers to their plight caused them any harm. He brought rnb to the masses and thus was instrumental in making their music appeal to a vast new audience. Elvis was amazing for that time period. He had an awesome voice and was made to make music in that genre. He entertained people of all race creeds and colors. He was popular because he was talented. You can't take away the success of him and he was very instrumental in bringing rnb to the forefront. Elvis's popularity wasn't just because of white people, ask little richard, fats and chuck berry whether they think Elvis was talented? I assure you each one of them would back up his talent and be thankful that he brought their music to the masses along with his own. Elvis was brought up singing gospel music in churches just like everyone of the guys you mentioned, he lived no differently then they did. Its a tired argument and Elvis does deserved to be called King because he was the biggest entertainer that may have ever existed.

Well spoken.

Hats off to Elvis, in my book.

Dylstew · 08-12-2014, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

The only song I give a **** about is "Comfortably Numb", which is admittedly fantastic, but other than that every time I have listened to them on the radio, or listened to an album, I have been indifferent.

Like, I just..don't understand them. (Pink Floyd I mean.)
At all. It doesn't do anything whatsoever with me. I don't hate it, I just don't get it, thus I especially don't get the praise.

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

They owe everything to Elvis. He made their brand of music popular and thus created careers for them that would have gond unnoticed in the mainstream. The Presley family has nothing to be ashamed of. Elvis was a very talented guy.

But he only made like..3 original songs.
Seriously, pretty much all of his massive, giant discography consists of covers.
Sure, he changes the songs up from time to time, but they're still covers.

I do have respect for someone that managed to get so damn well known and liked by only making covers. That requires some talent.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-12-2014, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

But he only made like..3 original songs.
Seriously, pretty much all of his massive, giant discography consists of covers.
Sure, he changes the songs up from time to time, but they're still covers.

While we're about it lets all call symphony orchestras & opera singers untalented for only playing covers too.

Dylstew · 08-12-2014, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

While we're about it lets all call symphony orchestras & opera singers untalented for only playing covers too.

I didn't say he was untalanted, I mean I don't really have too much interest in listening to like, 24 albums of covers.
When I listen to music I'm mostly interested in what music is being played.

08-11-2014, 02:10 PM	#8781 (permalink)
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08-11-2014, 05:37 PM	#8785 (permalink)
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