Unpopular Music Opinions

Black Francis · 08-22-2014, 05:17 AM

@CoNtrivedNiHilism

it fits here but you could've made it a thread.

I agree with you it feels dishonest to me if a singer doesn't write his own songs.
it's not like every song has to have a deep meaning to it so i feel that singers that don't even try to ever write an original song are just handed hits by producers.

To me these "artists" are better labeled as 'performers' cause most times they're just providing their presence and their voice so i see them more like instruments you direct rather than artists.

I know probably someone is gonna go "but what about Elton john?"
personally i don't like him nor hate him but i will give him credit cause i think he is a good example of a good musician and performer that can also be considered an artist.

i don't like the concept of some master puppeteer pulling the strings behind the scenes i prefer ppl that write and perform their own stuff at the risk of not being popular or not making hits.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-22-2014, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

@CoNtrivedNiHilism

it fits here but you could've made it a thread.

I agree with you it feels dishonest to me if a singer doesn't write his own songs.
it's not like every song has to have a deep meaning to it so i feel that singers that don't even try to ever write an original song are just handed hits by producers.

To me these "artists" are better labeled as 'performers' cause most times they're just providing their presence and their voice so i see them more like instruments you direct rather than artists.

I know probably someone is gonna go "but what about Elton john?"
personally i don't like him nor hate him but i will give him credit cause i think he is a good example of a good musician and performer that can also be considered an artist.

i don't like the concept of some master puppeteer pulling the strings behind the scenes i prefer ppl that write and perform their own stuff at the risk of not being popular or not making hits.

I'd label them performers too. I'd go as far as even saying that for the artists that have their music handed to them, and they just sing what they're given...those artists just want the fame, the exposure, the money; go the hell home, please you're part of why the industry is flooded with BS, and the genuine artist struggles to get by.

Anyway. Elton John is a talented guy in general, I see him play instruments time to time, mainly his beloved piano. But that guy has written plenty of his own music, far as I recollect.

Popularity I can't say should be a factor in any artist/and or band wanting to write their own, original composition of music. You should be making music because it is your passion, something you love doing, who cares if anyone likes you, you're not making the music for them, after all you wrote the music for yourself and if someone likes it, cool.

djchameleon · 08-22-2014, 05:27 AM

People that write the songs also get the Grammy along with the performer. You are actually not giving enough credit to the performer. They actually enhance the lyrics that are being written. It is a group effect and I don't think you and others that have that same silly opinion should be looking down on people just because they don't write their own material. So ****ing what. It just reeks pretentiousness having that opinion.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-22-2014, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

People that write the songs also get the Grammy along with the performer. You are actually not giving enough credit to the performer. They actually enhance the lyrics that are being written. It is a group effect and I don't think you and others that have that same silly opinion should be looking down on people just because they don't write their own material. So ****ing what.

So then you're the sort of music listener that doesn't care if the artist(s) you listen to write anything original? Seems to clearly be what you're saying. It's your opinion. Mine is that what is the point in being an artist if you're not even writing your own material, getting out your own thoughts and emotions, I mean that is part of the point right, getting bottled up crud out of your system.

djchameleon · 08-22-2014, 05:39 AM

You are missing out on the fact that the way that people sing and perform also conveys emotion though.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-22-2014, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

You are missing out on the fact that the way that people sing and perform also conveys emotion though.

That's obvious haha, I'm not missing that at all. I'd think that if they wrote the song, that emotion you hear in the vocals would be all the more palpable.

Want a kit kat? Got a spare.

**Janszoon** · 08-22-2014, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

So then you're the sort of music listener that doesn't care if the artist(s) you listen to write anything original? Seems to clearly be what you're saying. It's your opinion. Mine is that what is the point in being an artist if you're not even writing your own material, getting out your own thoughts and emotions, I mean that is part of the point right, getting bottled up crud out of your system.

Does this mean you don't think actors and dancers are artists?

djchameleon · 08-22-2014, 05:43 AM

The emotion that you hear while they perform it could mean that they actually relate to the lyrics because of a personal experience that happened on their life. They don't need to pen it.

Take your devil chocolate elsewhere. I won't consume that poison.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-22-2014, 05:45 AM

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Does this mean you don't think actors and dancers are artists?

Oh ****. I didn't even think of that aspect of it; read a script, know your character, convey the emotion, so on and so forth. Obviously these actors/actress don't write any of that, not usual. So you've got a point.

Hm, I shall ponder.

@DJ

Please take my chocolate?

Black Francis · 08-22-2014, 05:56 AM

@DJ

like i care about grammies my opinion is not based on any pretentiousness..
ppl like you can give them all the credit you want but i personally don't like artist who don't write their own stuff it's just that simple, it's a personal preference what's pretentious about that?

I honestly don't understand how ppl that are blessed with a great voice don't write their own lyrics, it's like you have and incredible voice that sings incredible words but they are not your words someone wrote them for you.

the only credit i can give you for that is that you performed it great and there is merit and talent in that but you didn't create and that fact alone personally disappoints me a bit.

08-22-2014, 05:17 AM	#8901 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	@CoNtrivedNiHilism it fits here but you could've made it a thread. I agree with you it feels dishonest to me if a singer doesn't write his own songs. it's not like every song has to have a deep meaning to it so i feel that singers that don't even try to ever write an original song are just handed hits by producers. To me these "artists" are better labeled as 'performers' cause most times they're just providing their presence and their voice so i see them more like instruments you direct rather than artists. I know probably someone is gonna go "but what about Elton john?" personally i don't like him nor hate him but i will give him credit cause i think he is a good example of a good musician and performer that can also be considered an artist. i don't like the concept of some master puppeteer pulling the strings behind the scenes i prefer ppl that write and perform their own stuff at the risk of not being popular or not making hits. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

08-22-2014, 05:56 AM	#8910 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	@DJ like i care about grammies my opinion is not based on any pretentiousness.. ppl like you can give them all the credit you want but i personally don't like artist who don't write their own stuff it's just that simple, it's a personal preference what's pretentious about that? I honestly don't understand how ppl that are blessed with a great voice don't write their own lyrics, it's like you have and incredible voice that sings incredible words but they are not your words someone wrote them for you. the only credit i can give you for that is that you performed it great and there is merit and talent in that but you didn't create and that fact alone personally disappoints me a bit. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A