Unpopular Music Opinions

Isbjørn · 10-05-2014, 02:20 PM

Sorry, but...

~~James~~ · 10-05-2014, 04:35 PM

Elton John has some bangers.

Neapolitan · 10-05-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

I always hear people say the same thing about Elton John. The thing is Elton's music made more of an impact at his peak (70'ss) along with his performances. His music is probably not as artistic anymore but he was able to reinvent his sound. Billy's music did not have the same impact

But artistically, not relying on chart positions or sale numbers his one song, "I Guess That's Why They Call It the Blues," is better than some of his songs in the 70s like Crocodile Rock or Benny and the Jets. It's throwback to early Rock n Roll but with more modern instrumentation and recording equipment, in my opinion it's in the same vein of John Lennon's Rock and Roll or The Honeydrippers' cover-songs albums. I don't know if Elton John was less popular or more popular in the 80s. I just like that one song.

Billy Joel was part of a number of artist that had hits in the 80s but in the 70s were more a part of Album Orient Rock radio. (I don't know if anyone would consider them cross-over artist for going from AOR to Pop radio.) But it seems he did better in the 80s. He had a two Top 10 in the 70s both reach 3rd, and some songs didn't chart that high at all. In the 80s he had three songs that reach #1 and six others that broke the Top 10. Billy Joel did well for himself in the 80s.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

I always thought Billy Joel was similar to Phil Collins. They both had some good material but then they also have their share of mediocre material. Not to mention the good material did not make much of an impact. I think they are properly rated.

I don't how to take that that "Not to mention the good material did not make much of an impact."

I don't know how you or other members rate their music, and that is generally a subjective opinion. They can however be rated on how successful they are through sales. And if that is any gauge then I think their music did make an impact somewhere... it certainty did for the record companies. They are (or were at some time) the "6th best-selling" and "22nd most successful" artists out there.

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Joel has become the sixth best-selling recording artist and the third best-selling solo artist in the United States.
Billy Joel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In 2008, Collins was ranked the 22nd most successful artist on the "The Billboard Hot 100 All-Time Top Artists"
Phil Collins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ninetales · 10-05-2014, 09:55 PM

impact/influence is the most misused terminology that's used to describe music. applying narrow scopes to a very spacious art.

not to mention influence =/= quality

I really hate the term at this point tbh, as, generally speaking, the points that it is used for are poor ones

Forward To Death · 10-06-2014, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

impact/influence is the most misused terminology that's used to describe music. applying narrow scopes to a very spacious art.

not to mention influence =/= quality

I really hate the term at this point tbh, as, generally speaking, the points that it is used for are poor ones

Impacting more people means that you're technically a more prolific artist, while quality, especially in music, is very subjective. I agree that you can usually within reason explain the differences between quality music and music that is clearly subpar, and that's usually what the argument is. There are some devil's advocates out there who'll nickel and dime you about music "quality" in ways that you can't possibly agree with unless you have a business degree.

As far as the music industry is concerned, Lady Gaga is well on her way to becoming the greatest recording artist of all time.

Ninetales · 10-06-2014, 02:18 PM

I was more getting at that who you are influencing/impacting is dependent on many different variables, most of which are ignored when theyre being used. "impact on music" is a very dumb and vague statement, but one that ive heard more times than I should have (aka greater than none). Music isn't a tree that's attached to a bunch of branches, but a forest where some of the trees aren't in the same vicinity.

Trollheart · 10-06-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

That'll happen. Get enough radioplay and the Trollhearts of the world are sure to buy one of your albums. He does paint pretty pink houses though.

I did. It was called the lonesome something. Road? No. Highway? No. Crow? No. Jubilee? No. Or was it? Ju-bi-lee. Sounds about right. It wasn't great though; I think it had about two or three decent tracks, and the rest was really sub-par.

Incidentally, is he in the record books or something for being one of the few artistes who used three names during his career?

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Led Zeppelin were bigger than Dumpy's Rusty Nuts

Dumpy's Rusty Nuts are bigger than mine.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Billy Joel, Elton John, & Michael Jackson = boring music I don't ever want to listen to.

"The stranger" is one phenomenal album, and surely you can't fault "Goodnight Saigon"? And doesn't everyone love "Piano man"?

**Frownland** · 10-06-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

"The stranger" is one phenomenal album, and surely you can't fault "Goodnight Saigon"? And doesn't everyone love "Piano man"?

Not this guy. But hey, I thought it was crazy that somebody didn't like TMR or Zappa so I guess we're even.

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Have you heard this one?

Meh, the strings were cool but the rest was kinda bland. I don't really like his voice.

Black Francis · 10-06-2014, 04:17 PM

Speaking of Michael jackson, has anyone here seen Captain EO?

i recently discovered this vid and im kinda shocked i never heard any reference to it until recently.

Forward To Death · 10-06-2014, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

I was more getting at that who you are influencing/impacting is dependent on many different variables, most of which are ignored when theyre being used. "impact on music" is a very dumb and vague statement, but one that ive heard more times than I should have (aka greater than none). Music isn't a tree that's attached to a bunch of branches, but a forest where some of the trees aren't in the same vicinity.

Well impact on music is something that's tangible that you can make an argument for pretty easily. There are statistics on that type of thing, while you absolutely will not be able to find the same things when explaining actual quality.

Basically, it's a safer argument to say that popular=better. It's inaccurate, because there's not rational basis for popularity impacting music taste, yet it's obvious that a lot of people do listen to music for the sake of popularity. Because of this, your argument is going to ring true to more people than if you explained in detail why "Master Of Puppets" is better than "Louie Louie".

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	impact/influence is the most misused terminology that's used to describe music. applying narrow scopes to a very spacious art. not to mention influence =/= quality I really hate the term at this point tbh, as, generally speaking, the points that it is used for are poor ones

10-06-2014, 02:18 PM	#9446 (permalink)
Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	I was more getting at that who you are influencing/impacting is dependent on many different variables, most of which are ignored when theyre being used. "impact on music" is a very dumb and vague statement, but one that ive heard more times than I should have (aka greater than none). Music isn't a tree that's attached to a bunch of branches, but a forest where some of the trees aren't in the same vicinity.