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View Poll Results: Does John Peel deserve to make the Hall of Fame?
Yes 11 91.67%
No 1 8.33%
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:54 AM   #1381 (permalink)
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both your favorite artists cite him as an influence.

i'd think you'd give him more credit than that; if Kathleen Brennan hadn't introduced Waits to Beefheart there would be no Swordfishtrombones, Rain Dogs, Bone Machine... basically anything of his that sounded remotely interesting.

i can understand if you don't like the guy's music (it is an acquired taste), but he's influenced EVERYTHING, whether it be blues, punk, hardcore, prog, psychedelia, avant-garde, etc. on the contrary, he may be one of the most valuable individuals in music history. and he wasn't too shabby of a songwriter either.
Says it all really but I do like his music too. It's the size of genres that he has influenced. I can hear a hell of a lot of beefheart in the idiosyncratic way of making music that Tom Waits has adopted.
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I'm mixed on this.

On one hand he influenced shitload of stuff I like, but on the other I hardly ever feel the need to actually listen to him.

It's all very well saying he influenced loads of stuff I like , but if I prefer what those other bands did with it rather than what Beefheart did with it, well it doesn't really say much about him.

I'll come back to this one.
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:21 PM   #1383 (permalink)
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..but if he hadn't have been doing those things then those bands wouldn't have anything to start with. I can see your conumdrum though and it shouldn't just be influence alone. The criteria I'm trying to use now with the HOF is influence and whether I actually like the artist as well and if people just don't listen to the artist then you cannot help but dismiss them (as I did with P.I.L- I wanted them but had to be honest in the fact that I don't listen to them).
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..but if he hadn't have been doing those things then those bands wouldn't have anything to start with.
Well they would, they'd just have a different influence. Would I like them as much? Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't.
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You should have been here long enough to know that the argument you're using is as terrible as it is ****. Who gives a **** who influenced who? Waits came back from Europe a new man, and Beefheart alone didn't make him.

To suggest that I should vote him in because I like waits in intellectually bankrupt.

He's not my thing at this current juncture and i voted no. Half the genre's you list that he influenced is even more of a reason for me to vote no. I hate most things about punk and its only gotten worse since 1977. The more I "should" vote for someone, the more they influenced "my favorite artists" the more I vote against them.

I didn't know I only had two favorite artists, or if that, by definition, is even possible.

Any by the by, way to discredit Satchmo, arguably the biggest influence on him. You would want to take away credit from a black artist, you racist ****. I bet you're going to be offended by this too, aren't you? Can't take a joke, can you? Well you know what, I think the best thing for these boards is some sensitivity training. I don't know when you sold yourself to the communist party, but you should reevaluate your life.
nigga please.

i'm not suggesting that you should vote for him, just commenting that your statement "what he added to the musical landscape doesn't seem too valuable" is a load of bollocks. which it is.

i'm aware you don't like Beefheart. i'm also aware that a great number of musicians (some of which i'm sure you listen to) are influenced by him. i thought that it might be a natural assumption to think that you'd be intrigued by his music. obviously not.

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I'm mixed on this.

On one hand he influenced shitload of stuff I like, but on the other I hardly ever feel the need to actually listen to him.

It's all very well saying he influenced loads of stuff I like , but if I prefer what those other bands did with it rather than what Beefheart did with it, well it doesn't really say much about him.

I'll come back to this one.
i feel like you might enjoy some of his later material, it's a more subtle shade of insanity. Doc at the Radar Station is especially good.

and yeah, a lot of artists took their spin on his material in completely different directions. although it is sometimes difficult to pick up on those influences (at least without being explicitly told so). apparently he was a primary influence on Jeffrey Lee Pierce and D. Boon, awesome in my book.
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I've tried his stuff multiple times I and just couldn't get into it. Cant deny his influence, but he's just not for me.
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i feel like you might enjoy some of his later material, it's a more subtle shade of insanity. Doc at the Radar Station is especially good.
Good one that. Shiny Beast is a brilliant album too, from the same sort of era.

I can understand people's reasons for not liking him - he is pretty difficult to truly appreciate, and even then he simply isn't for some people. For anyone who's at all curious and has an hour or so to kill, this was posted in his thread in the avante-garde forum - a great documentary about his work. To be honest it was watching this that got me keen enough to give Trout Mask another chance and delve deeper into his discography.
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Good one that. Shiny Beast is a brilliant album too, from the same sort of era.

I can understand people's reasons for not liking him - he is pretty difficult to truly appreciate, and even then he simply isn't for some people. For anyone who's at all curious and has an hour or so to kill, this was posted in his thread in the avante-garde forum - a great documentary about his work. To be honest it was watching this that got me keen enough to give Trout Mask another chance and delve deeper into his discography.
Honestly, I couldn't get 'Trout Mask Replica', but my uncle gave me 'Doc at The Radar Station' and I swore it was a lost Mark E. Smith and David Byrne collaboration.
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just as long as you don't eat his.

i don't know what he would do.
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