Why does the mainstream industry only want a select few to be popular?

~~Soulflower~~ · 07-30-2014, 02:15 PM

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I'd take 'Stay' over most of the top 40 stuff from the sixties too.

Absolutely gorgeous song.
And there's more to art than the aspect of creation. It's performance. Singers can have voices that evoke emotions in people. Actors can interpret other people's writing and make it more human. I think both can be referred to as 'artists' because they take what others have created and embody it in a different way.

True

I think she has some catchy songs for sure but I personally would not say her music is better than the 60's simply because most of my favorite singers are 60s and 70's artists but if that is what you like, I can dig it

There is more to art besides creating but an artist is a creator. I think Rihanna is more involved in her "look" but "looks" and fashion doesn't have anything to do with music specifically. They at times can coincide with eachother but she is not a pop star that is involved in the creation of her music which is what defines an "artist"

FRED HALE SR. · 07-30-2014, 02:20 PM

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True

I think she has some catchy songs for sure but I personally would not say her music is better than the 60's simply because most of my favorite singers are 60s and 70's artists but if that is what you like, I can dig it

There is more to art besides creating but an artist is a creator. I think Rihanna is more involved in her "look" but "looks" and fashion doesn't have anything to do with music specifically. They at times can coincide with eachother but she is not a pop star that is involved in the creation of her music which is what defines an "artist"

Not to mention she sounds the same on every song. She doesn't seem to have much range. Rihanna likes to stay in her comfort zone. I like a few songs myself but she can't touch an artist like Chaka Kahn or Aretha.

Ninetales · 07-30-2014, 02:34 PM

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but she is not a pop star that is involved in the creation of her music which is what defines an "artist"

well sure, if you want to ignore the songs that she is involved in the creation of

~~James~~ · 07-30-2014, 02:35 PM

To be fair, Rihanna is hardly the best the mainstream has to offer.

~~Soulflower~~ · 07-30-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Not to mention she sounds the same on every song. She doesn't seem to have much range. Rihanna likes to stay in her comfort zone. I like a few songs myself but she can't touch an artist like Chaka Kahn or Aretha.

Oh hell nah she could never touch them even in her dreams she couldn't!

Agree!

Rihanna has a distinctive sound which is okay for the songs that she does but she doesn't have much depth or range as a singer.

~~Soulflower~~ · 07-30-2014, 02:58 PM

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Yes

Sure, i was being general. There's tons of great artists from this era too.

I dont know what "live instruments" mean but ok. And i was talking about music overall being better now.

Are you sure you meant to post that link?

Rihanna is no where to be found in any of the credits.

This actually supports my argument that she is not an artist LOL

Ninetales · 07-30-2014, 02:59 PM

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To be fair, Rihanna is hardly the best the mainstream has to offer.

CRJ gets that title in my books

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Are you sure you meant to post that link?

Rihanna is no where to be found in any of the credits.

This actually supports my argument that she is not an artist LOL

Her real name is Robyn Fenty.

~~Soulflower~~ · 07-30-2014, 03:06 PM

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CRJ gets that title in my books

Her real name is Robyn Fenty.

She is only cited one time and that is for a co credit that features three other writers.

These pop stars today steal songwriting credits all the time. You don't have to actually write a song to get a credit. You can switch one word or switch a vocal arrangement to get a credit.

Most of Rihanna's songs are already completed before she gets them. So how is it fair to call her a songwriter when the finished songs are already completed when she receives them?

Switching one word does not make someone a "songwriter"

She is not a songwriter and she definitly is not an artist.

~~James~~ · 07-30-2014, 03:09 PM

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CRJ gets that title in my books

All three of these songs are in the charts at the moment and all three are absolute gold.

~~James~~ · 07-30-2014, 03:12 PM

If a painter looks at a sunset, then creates a piece of art based on that sunset therefore interpreting the sunset in a different way - how is that different from a singer looking at some words on a page and using their voice to create their version of those words? Both are art to me.

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~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	To be fair, Rihanna is hardly the best the mainstream has to offer.

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~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	If a painter looks at a sunset, then creates a piece of art based on that sunset therefore interpreting the sunset in a different way - how is that different from a singer looking at some words on a page and using their voice to create their version of those words? Both are art to me.