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Old 12-27-2018, 09:42 PM   #201 (permalink)
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Personally I've been exploring threads in genres I'm not well versed in and listening for things I might like then exploring those artists further.

That's how I got into Death, Horrendous, Ash Koosha, Alfa Mist, Entropia, etc.
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Old 12-28-2018, 01:24 AM   #202 (permalink)
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I am very open minded. You can like it or not like it. I just don't like when you get all weird and shit in your reviews. And accusing me of acting like a school girl is case in point. The way the whole "offended little school girl" is my parody on you BTW. (Gee whiz some people up in here are dumb. )

I forgave you for acting weird and shit and gave it another go. Posting this video was like offering you the peace pipe and saying let's have another go at a discussion about our music interest. I now see you are not mature enough to do that. The very least you can do is not go full dumb ass troll on me and set out what you said you going to do and listen to the song... that's what this thread is about, you listening to anything. I guess reviewing is optional.

If you can appreciate shitty music, there should be no obstacle what so ever in liking this kind of music.
Don't misunderstand. I did listen to the music alright. But then, as I was about to write what I thought about it, I visualized what you would have to say about that and how you would probably bring it up again months down the line to prove that I hate you/hate music/am an awful human being. So I thought it was probably gonna be less of a headache to just not say what I think about it. And I still think I'm right about that!

EDIT: You calling me weird is funny. You're in the top 10 of the weirdest people I've ever interacted with on the internet. The way you view reality and twist everything that people say out of proportion makes very little sense to me. I don't actively hate you. I just find you incredibly difficult to comprehend.

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Old 12-28-2018, 01:33 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Nah, you just aren't consistent. That's what baffles me a bit about you. You'll praise the living hell out of generic female singer-songwriter stuff (including Tzuke's blander early 80's material) but you can't find anything you like in a 40+ year career from the band that backed Michael Jackson on Thriller, have collectively played on thousands of albums and are regarded as some of the best musicians on the planet.

To give you a bit of context: I used to mess with Urban Hatemonger (and elphenor today) about The Fall, but I recognize their good points and ingenuity (some albums are stronger than others ofc). But you can't tell me you can't listen to Toto circa 2006 on Falling In Between and tell me they aren't trying new things that they weren't doing in their early 80's period. Metal, blues rock, reggae: they've been busy bees.
I can appreciate what you're trying to say here, but the whole point of the longer post I made previously was to point out that what I like about varyious artists and dislike about various artists is not so easy to pinpoint. Your assertion that early Judie Tzuke is "bland" couldn't be further from my experience of that same music. I like it exactly because I think it has something very special going on that places it above so much from the same era. Toto, on the other hand, don't manage to break through and reach deeper inside my heart and mind. They may well be popular and respected and have some grasp of a variety of genres, but it would seem that your view of music appreciation is simple and unrealistic if you think that means I ought to like it. What, because Toto is more well known, professional and successful than Judie Tzuke, they're better and I just somehow got it wrong? That's now how music works my friend...

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As someone who has been here for about 10 years (give or take a month), I think you should take people's recommendations and explore them if someone thinks they are worth your time, and be a bit more engaging about this whole process. That's how you'll get a better grasp on where the limits of your tastes actually are.
It's obvious to me that my view of what's good or not holds no weight in here, but I don't actually think that having been on a music forum buys you some sort of wise old guru status where I should take your opinion more seriously for it. The proper context for your recommendations is not how long you've been on this forum, but simply how much I've tended to like what you've posted before.

And don't assume that I don't return to bands. Returning to things again and again over the years to give second, third, fourth and fifth chances are kind of a thing I do all the time.

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Old 12-28-2018, 01:49 AM   #204 (permalink)
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^Honestly, what's the chance I'm gonna like that?

Not saying I'm not doing it.
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Old 12-28-2018, 01:56 AM   #206 (permalink)
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Is this even a song, looks more like a shoe advertisement. Or is it both?
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Oh great, now I'm looking forward to it even more.
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Old 12-28-2018, 02:58 AM   #208 (permalink)
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I hear No Remorse is white power music. Heard some in plug. Wasn't a fan of the music but can't object to the message.
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:34 AM   #209 (permalink)
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nobody cares about Toto

I can't fault him on that

and I just straight don't believe you on The Fall tbqh, stop lyin
I've got a thing called a post history you know, one that goes back to a time when you were still getting swirlies in HS. Seems dumb to call someone a liar when UH's love of The Fall was pretty well documented.

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I can appreciate what you're trying to say here, but the whole point of the longer post I made previously was to point out that what I like about varyious artists and dislike about various artists is not so easy to pinpoint. Your assertion that early Judie Tzuke is "bland" couldn't be further from my experience of that same music. I like it exactly because I think it has something very special going on that places it above so much from the same era. Toto, on the other hand, don't manage to break through and reach deeper inside my heart and mind. They may well be popular and respected and have some grasp of a variety of genres, but it would seem that your view of music appreciation is simple and unrealistic if you think that means I ought to like it. What, because Toto is more well known, professional and successful than Judie Tzuke, they're better and I just somehow got it wrong? That's now how music works my friend...

It's obvious to me that my view of what's good or not holds no weight in here, but I don't actually think that having been on a music forum buys you some sort of wise old guru status where I should take your opinion more seriously for it. The proper context for your recommendations is not how long you've been on this forum, but simply how much I've tended to like what you've posted before.

And don't assume that I don't return to bands. Returning to things again and again over the years to give second, third, fourth and fifth chances are kind of a thing I do all the time.
1. Fair enough on Tzuke. I just thought she aped her mentor Elton John's style a bit too much until 1989's Turning Stones, but that's a discussion for another day. She's a fan of Toto as well now that I think about it, atleast the first two albums.

2. I wasn't talking about popularity = quality. I'm saying you come off as dismissive. But like you said, maybe you'll come back to something in the future and change your mind. It's no big deal, but you should know what I'm talking about because you have experienced others not liking what you've shared for seemingly inscrutable reasons.

3. The longer you are here, the more you change. I hated soft rock, AOR and industrial-oriented drone before I came here: now they're all among my favorite genres.

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no I don't doubt UH was a Fall fanboy

your conciliatory tone towards The Fall reads as fake and convenient

that's just how I sees it
I think I take a more detached approach to music than you do by default. It isn't fake or convenient, but I can jump around decades of work and figure out where that sweet spot is. That's probably why I really enjoyed Grotesque at first listen but feel indifferent to some of their 90's stuff like The Marshall Suite even if I like the songwriting: I just prefer their older aesthetic and take longer to warm up to different eras.
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