The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, fan, Europe, American)

xEmochicKx · 12-19-2004, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rise_above

and why would you say that? you dont know much about the country. my girlfriends family lives there and they say its great and better than living here. Your probably just saying that because they have a goofy flag. So the **** what

yeah i kind of live in canada..

jibber · 12-19-2004, 01:02 AM

wtf? how is our flag goofy?

covle · 12-19-2004, 04:12 AM

^^that was humorous.

i think the worst thing about america is that it is the world power. i love america, iv been there 3 times in my life, im going again next year(after canada, before south america). but the ignorance of the majority of the citizens about the world is aberrant. ask anybody from australia who the prime minister of new zealand is, or the president of indonesia and they'll be able to tell you. ask any german who the leader of any country in europe is and they'll be able to tell you, and so forth. america is such a powerful country that they dont need to care who is leading where. in your schools you learn about your own history, not the worlds history. this isnt just accusations by the way, iv spoken to numerous people about this, the latest being matt peterson from wisconsin. he stayed at mine for a few weeks last year just after he graduated. this has been the topic of many interesting convos over the past year. i know i know "oh its a conspiracy. the government controlling our lives" all that crap. but matt spent two weeks at my school here in aus and said he'd never learnt so much about other countries than in that time. not in any geography classes or french classes, nothing like that. just in normal english classes where we debate about whats happening in whatever country. america hold america above all other nations. i know all countries do that, when the bali bombings happened(did you hear about that anywhere other than aus?) 202 people died. but the headlines in australia were "88 aussies murdered" or something. who cares? its not about the country its about the people who were killed, but america appears to be the extreme in this. do this to yourself, name the 12th president. easy? now, who fought the spanish inquisition? which political team won the russian revolution? whats the gaza strip war all about? who was the british leader of world war 2?
and i dont want any smartarsed americans looking up the answers IF they dont know them and telling me off. im not saying, every american is unable to answer such questions. but the majority is. i love your country, and im returning as soon as i can, but the fact that you are the strongest nation in the world, and by such a margin baffles me, as in comparison, your people are taught and subsequently know a lot less about the world they rule.

Yellow Card · 12-19-2004, 05:02 AM

Whoa, well put my man.

Oi_To_The_World · 12-19-2004, 10:14 AM

^^ i agree covle, the biggest stereotypical problem with the average american is self-indulgence and arrogance, which is something that is known globally. average america is so ignorant about other people's cultures and history, and is so self absorbed that they dont even care to learn. i find it funny that so many americans hate the french, simply because they did not support the iraq invasion and are jokingly labeled as "war losers". Or how they expect to westernize these middle eastern countries, when that itself is the thing they hate most about americans.
our current adminstration has adopted 'youre with us or against us' and 'were fighting for freedom' blah blah, and ignoring suggestings from the UN, saying they dont have the american agenda. that's bullsh*t. im sick of close minded america too

covle · 12-19-2004, 08:40 PM

i think its funny that as you say, a lot of americans hate french people, but without them, they wouldnt even be a nation. not very gracious of them is it.

IamAlejo · 12-19-2004, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by [ insert name here ]

Yeah cananda's a rocking country... one thing i dont like about America... is the death sentence... 2 wrongs dont make a right...

Haven't finished reading this thread...but if you tell me Timothy Mcveigh didn't deserve to die then I will tell you that you have no brain, nor a heart.

IamAlejo · 12-19-2004, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Whoa there...have you ever EXPERIENCED any other country,any other government?Yep...Who ****ing cares?That's a damn good question-not many.And if nobody cares,how can we change,be bettered?I'm not saying we are the most awful country on earth.But there's a good possibility.

I have...Have you? I've been to England and I'm not a fan of it. People say we are lazy, and then complain about our government. The reason many are so lazy is that the government gives them every damn thing they need.

IamAlejo · 12-19-2004, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by covle

^^that was humorous.

i think the worst thing about america is that it is the world power. i love america, iv been there 3 times in my life, im going again next year(after canada, before south america). but the ignorance of the majority of the citizens about the world is aberrant. ask anybody from australia who the prime minister of new zealand is, or the president of indonesia and they'll be able to tell you. ask any german who the leader of any country in europe is and they'll be able to tell you, and so forth. america is such a powerful country that they dont need to care who is leading where. in your schools you learn about your own history, not the worlds history. this isnt just accusations by the way, iv spoken to numerous people about this, the latest being matt peterson from wisconsin. he stayed at mine for a few weeks last year just after he graduated. this has been the topic of many interesting convos over the past year. i know i know "oh its a conspiracy. the government controlling our lives" all that crap. but matt spent two weeks at my school here in aus and said he'd never learnt so much about other countries than in that time. not in any geography classes or french classes, nothing like that. just in normal english classes where we debate about whats happening in whatever country. america hold america above all other nations. i know all countries do that, when the bali bombings happened(did you hear about that anywhere other than aus?) 202 people died. but the headlines in australia were "88 aussies murdered" or something. who cares? its not about the country its about the people who were killed, but america appears to be the extreme in this. do this to yourself, name the 12th president. easy? now, who fought the spanish inquisition? which political team won the russian revolution? whats the gaza strip war all about? who was the british leader of world war 2?
and i dont want any smartarsed americans looking up the answers IF they dont know them and telling me off. im not saying, every american is unable to answer such questions. but the majority is. i love your country, and im returning as soon as i can, but the fact that you are the strongest nation in the world, and by such a margin baffles me, as in comparison, your people are taught and subsequently know a lot less about the world they rule.

i think the biggest part of this is the fact that most americans their news from an often biased news source (liberal: cbs, nbc, abc....cons.: fox) and just take everything they hear from there as fact, which it is not.

But the whole, asking facts about another country thing, it goes both ways. If I asked what the Emancipation Proclamation did, I bet many wouldn't know. Hell, I bet most Americans even get it confused.

Oi_To_The_World · 12-19-2004, 09:20 PM

i think media in general (not just US) has a distorting effect on viewers. oddly, the young generation doesnt even pay much attention to the main media outlets, so they get their info from potentially much less reliable sources (btw theres nothing wrong with watching daily show for yer news fix)

12-19-2004, 01:02 AM	#302 (permalink)
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12-19-2004, 04:12 AM	#303 (permalink)
covle Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 334	^^that was humorous. i think the worst thing about america is that it is the world power. i love america, iv been there 3 times in my life, im going again next year(after canada, before south america). but the ignorance of the majority of the citizens about the world is aberrant. ask anybody from australia who the prime minister of new zealand is, or the president of indonesia and they'll be able to tell you. ask any german who the leader of any country in europe is and they'll be able to tell you, and so forth. america is such a powerful country that they dont need to care who is leading where. in your schools you learn about your own history, not the worlds history. this isnt just accusations by the way, iv spoken to numerous people about this, the latest being matt peterson from wisconsin. he stayed at mine for a few weeks last year just after he graduated. this has been the topic of many interesting convos over the past year. i know i know "oh its a conspiracy. the government controlling our lives" all that crap. but matt spent two weeks at my school here in aus and said he'd never learnt so much about other countries than in that time. not in any geography classes or french classes, nothing like that. just in normal english classes where we debate about whats happening in whatever country. america hold america above all other nations. i know all countries do that, when the bali bombings happened(did you hear about that anywhere other than aus?) 202 people died. but the headlines in australia were "88 aussies murdered" or something. who cares? its not about the country its about the people who were killed, but america appears to be the extreme in this. do this to yourself, name the 12th president. easy? now, who fought the spanish inquisition? which political team won the russian revolution? whats the gaza strip war all about? who was the british leader of world war 2? and i dont want any smartarsed americans looking up the answers IF they dont know them and telling me off. im not saying, every american is unable to answer such questions. but the majority is. i love your country, and im returning as soon as i can, but the fact that you are the strongest nation in the world, and by such a margin baffles me, as in comparison, your people are taught and subsequently know a lot less about the world they rule. __________________ LIVE.LOVE.BURN.DIE. whoa...i quoted atreyu, that means im hardcore. look how hardcore i am!! thats hardcore...XXX

12-19-2004, 05:02 AM	#304 (permalink)
Yellow Card Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 128	Whoa, well put my man. __________________ "True friends stab you in the front" ---The Beltsville Crucible---

12-19-2004, 10:14 AM	#305 (permalink)
Oi_To_The_World Unpatriot Act Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: planet of the rapes Posts: 389	^^ i agree covle, the biggest stereotypical problem with the average american is self-indulgence and arrogance, which is something that is known globally. average america is so ignorant about other people's cultures and history, and is so self absorbed that they dont even care to learn. i find it funny that so many americans hate the french, simply because they did not support the iraq invasion and are jokingly labeled as "war losers". Or how they expect to westernize these middle eastern countries, when that itself is the thing they hate most about americans. our current adminstration has adopted 'youre with us or against us' and 'were fighting for freedom' blah blah, and ignoring suggestings from the UN, saying they dont have the american agenda. that's bullsh*t. im sick of close minded america too __________________ what is the mind? no matter. what is matter? never mind.

12-19-2004, 08:40 PM	#306 (permalink)
covle Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 334	i think its funny that as you say, a lot of americans hate french people, but without them, they wouldnt even be a nation. not very gracious of them is it. __________________ LIVE.LOVE.BURN.DIE. whoa...i quoted atreyu, that means im hardcore. look how hardcore i am!! thats hardcore...XXX

12-19-2004, 09:20 PM	#310 (permalink)
Oi_To_The_World Unpatriot Act Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: planet of the rapes Posts: 389	i think media in general (not just US) has a distorting effect on viewers. oddly, the young generation doesnt even pay much attention to the main media outlets, so they get their info from potentially much less reliable sources (btw theres nothing wrong with watching daily show for yer news fix) __________________ what is the mind? no matter. what is matter? never mind.