Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

I was against a smoking ban even before I was a smoker. I think it should be up to the owners of said buildings and business places whether or not smoking should be allowed. Now, I can understand places where minors may be present, but bars and the like?

.....I mean, what if you go to some night club or something at a metal show, and all there is is just typical hardcore acts and then 2 good bands? YOU NEED THE SMOKE TO HOLD YA OVER, because that kind of **** is too much to tolerate. At least for me it is.

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Inuzuka Skysword

You don't need the smoke. You just don't go if you feel you do need it.

Wayfarer

Either that or you people could stop crying about inhaling a little bit of smoke at a concert. It's a fuckin' concert for Christ sake. One night. You're not going to get some horrible disease and die because of a guy smoking a couple of cigarettes next to you during a live show.

And I must agree with Voice, there's no reason it shouldn't be up to the owners. It's private property. No different from saying whether or not someone is allowed to smoke in your house.

And as far as smoking outside being banned goes, that's just absolutely fucking ridiculous. How someone could actually believe that a person smoking a cigarette across the street from them could even potentially cause them harm is beyond me. Hell, I can't even understand how someone could think that me standing, say, six feet away from them at a park and smoking a cigarette could cause them harm. Yeah, there's no doubt in anyone's mind that cigarettes aren't good for you, but the dangers are certainly exaggerated. The same can be said about second-hand smoke.

The risks of smoking are greatly exaggerated

Also, there's a point I'd like to bring up from the smoking argument in the Worst Trends thread: some people smoke for years and live to be ninety, while some others don't smoke a day in their lives and end up with cancer at thirty. It would seem that, simply, some people's bodies can weather all of those carcinogens and UV rays and the like, and some people's bodies can't. The thing is, at this point, there is no way of knowing who can withstand those risk factors, and who can't. To me, this renders virtually anything health-related nugatory, at least when we're talking about cigarettes. If you smoke, you might get cancer, if you don't smoke, you might get cancer. It's the equivalent of saying there's a 50% chance of rain, to me. So what it all comes down to is, what? Discomfort? Some people just don't like the smell, or the smoke makes them cough. Alright, fine, that's understandable - but surely mild discomfort in some is not nearly reason enough for the government to begin infringing upon people's civil liberties? Oh, apparently it is.

Inuzuka Skysword

If they banned smoking then they should ban alcohol, but honestly I don't have a problem with drugs being allowed. I can't take any because of my medical condition, but yeah.

And I love when some Christians say drinking alcohol is okay, but drugs are the devil. Honestly I don't think God cares if you do either as long as you do too much to the point where you lose connection with reality and you become foolish. I don't think he likes it when you are addicted to anything.

Dr_Rez

I am a big smoker, and have been affected by the smoking ban. I agree with what Wayfarer says (lol in his rant on another thread) but i guess i do not feel as strongly. If people do not want me smoking inside public buildings i guess i understand, some people (like my father) HATE the smell of smoke and cigarettes. As long as im not labeled as a trouble to society, or judged in some way because i smoke cigarettes. Its my decision, i have hard and long ****ing days and need them to calm down. Ill agree to not smoke them on public grounds, as long as im not ****ed with or talked about by others.

O ya and as Way was saying a few posts up, smoking outside should not be complained about. Anyone who whines about second hand smoke in a place like a public park can very literally suck my ****. People whine about wayy to much **** these days because of the media making every small problom a huge deal. Thank you television...another reason why i dont watch you.

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CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

No, I am not saying that I smell cigarettes when I go outside. I agree that smokers shouldn't be demonized the way the sometimes are, I'm just trying to make sense of your persistant use of pollution as an arguement. If you're saying that air pollution is a bigger cause of lung cancer than second hand smoke (sorry, obviously I did not think of this beforehand), I would be inclined to agree, although I would want to see some sort of research on that, personally.

TheBig3

i don't know what the hell you're all bitching about, but theres been a smoking ban here for what i think has been a couple years now. I wouldn't know, Im not a smoker, but who cares. You've opted to kill yourself, get out in the snow and get it over with already.

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Wayfarer

Everyone's "opted to kill themselves" in one way or another.

That wouldn't be fair to you either though. We just need to come up with some more creative solutions than outright banning people from doing things.

dirt mcgirt

i smoke on tha mic like smokin joe frasier
the hell raisier
raisin hell with tha flava

Dr_Rez

haha, your posts suck

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