butthead aka 216

no im not, its that way with plenty of things. internet 'society' is much different than real life because you ar einteracting with a much different crowd than in real life, it evne varies from forum to forum. its like even with certain artists as an example who might be under rated in real life but over rated on certain message boards.

my point is that on the internet i find my white privilege much more exagerated to the point i dont think its accurate. i recognize white privilege and benefits of being white. but i also think that ppl like those in the vid i posted are idiots and allow room for a culture to exist of blaming whites and that isnt productive for anyone.

i see it in my city and the world around me all the time. its not even just race, just in general a lack of accountability in this society which i realize ive ranted too much about in several threads. ive already given my stance on trayvon shooting NOT being a race issue and those thinking it is are foolish. minorities of every kind blaming the majority, trying to guilt them. the people i hear complaining about white privilige the most are often the ppl who arent doin a damn thing to help the image of their culture or stereotypes and instead are validating them to an extent. i see people commit crimes then theres this public outcry (albeit not the majority of people) who want to blame middle class white culture for the actions of poor blacks?? and complain about generalizing when thats exactly what they are doing?? it reeks of hypocricy. it isnt productive in any way.

djchameleon

I'm guessing you didn't watch the Bill Maher clip because they covered the bolded area a little bit as far as yes most people do recognize that minorities are more involved statistically in crimes but the fact of the matter is if the situation were reversed and and it was a young white kid. he would have made it home safely and there wouldn't have been an issue. It's not even about shifting the blame of their behaviors onto others. It's the fact that white people feel the need to tell minorities they need to improve their image so they don't get stereotyped and attacked because someone is ignorant enough to believe that all minorities fit their stereotypes to a T.

You sound just like Ted Nugent with that bolded statement you made.
If you don't know what he said, I'll link you the article.
Nugent: "The Black Problem" Could Be Solved If Blacks Put "Heart And Soul Into Being Honest" And "Law-Abiding" | Blog | Media Matters for America

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butthead aka 216

zimmerman didnt just run up and shoot him for being black. the race of trayvon is irrelevant. if he was white and would have attacked zimm i think he woulda been shot too. it was his actions that caused his death, not his race

i dont like ted nugent and dont usually agree with him but i do like that he stands by what he says. i do see the points he is trying to make which are probably more extreme but similar to mine. i think ted and myself both believe that in the large scheme of things, urban black culture does nothing but perpetuate the same stereotypes they claim to hate and blame whites for. in my opinion the urban black culture is a prison type of culture and i can go into that further if anyone actually cares lol

and im not saying its completely wrong to feel sympathetic or want to help (again im talking about urban area blacks in general) but the people you are helping need to help themselves as well. and i do know many people are trying while probably just as many arent because its too easy to blame someone else then have all these hipsters come out with their white guilt complexes and validate the people assigning blame. thats why i hate hipster fools.

and the reason i made the distinction of urban black culture (and again yes im generalizing) is because im not racist and im pointing out a certain demographic here. i dont have a problem with all blacks, asians, hispanics, etc. i know plenty of minorities and dont have a problem with their race whatsoever.....its the culture of these inner city people (it goes for whites as well but they seem to be a minority and not really what we are talking about).

i UNDERSTAND why the negative black culture exists (again, prison related, crime and povery related, bad role models, etc) and that SOME of that can be attributed to white oppression throughout history. But at some point when its broken down into personal experience you do need to assign blame where it's due ----with the individual themselves.

we can sit here and talk about oppression and white privilidge, but what happens when i go to the inner city at night and get harassed or mugged? am i supposed to sit back and say "hmmmm well yea i just got robbed or punched in the face or whatever, BUT ya know whites have put blacks in a difficult position so i cant really blame the person who did it." its a parallel to an example of workng with some of the kids ive worked with. one was 15 and a sex offender. he was molested by his mother at a young age then he molested his brother. can society blame him for his actions? i certainly feel sympathetic towards him because of his upbringing. am I going to let him develop a victim mindset for the rest of his life and feel sorry for himself? would i rather instill a sense of meaningful value and help him move on and be succesful?? what if someone did that when he was 25 instead of 15? would anyone have that same sympathy? NO.

wow i dont know where i was goin with that last part but somewhere in there is a parallel and an example of big picture vs individual actions. i want to help needy people but i want them to want to help THEMSELVES before anything and not roll over and claim victimization every chance they get because again, that isnt healthy or productive.

djchameleon

Waited all afternoon for the ****ing UPS guy to show up only to have him drive by in his big ass truck without stopping. I called up to find out why and appearently there was some error with the label that didn't specifiy the exact apartment number. The guy knows me though and it still said 3 instead of the normal 3N that it does. So weird that he didn't just drop it off for me. I went to go pick it up last night and the guy at the customer service place decided to leave early so I have to pick it up today. grrr I could have been sleeping instead of waiting for that douche nozzle yesterday afternoon.



He was suspicious of him because he was black/wearing a hoodie in his neighborhood. I didn't say anything about him just running up and shooting him.

I'd like you to go further but I think you need to dig a bit deeper and understand why that happens. They are disenfranchised by a system that is meant to help them get out of the current situation they are in.

I do know about this first hand. I always bring it up in our meetings that our community group is around to try to help them, help themselves but if their mentality doesn't change then they aren't going to think that anything can be done and they won't help themselves. It is a community effort and we aren't just trying to give people hand outs, we are trying to give them a leg up but if they don't change their way of thinking and extend their leg for us to even help then it's pointless. So you are preaching to the choir with that believe me I know first hand.

"I'm not racist because I know some black people"

it's not really but I just like posting that kid.

You can lump the poor whites into that discussion when you are talking about urban culture. They have the same mentality/mind set as everyone else that lives in poor inner city areas.


I agree and talked about this earlier.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

butthead aka 216

dj i really dont think we are that far from agreeing on a lot of things its probably the way we come across to each other that makes us seem further apart

and i will disclose that do have this mindset party because of jobs i have held that didnt even deal with race but just needy people in general. ive seen caseworkers, aides, counselors, and staff members such as myself completely bend over backwards for needy people and get nothing in return but animosity. there are literally huge groups of people dedicated to one person or one family and that family still cant get their **** together despite tons of hard work and dedication from people they dont even know. yes i am generalizing and no im not lumping every single person ever in that, but when time and time again you put in the work, you put in the time and genuine effort, and not only do you not succeed but you get BLAMED it's almost impossible to not eventually get a jaded attitude

i will disagree on trayvon and zimm. zimm followed trayvon because 1) recent burglaries and 2) he was casually walking around in the rain. (according to zimm). that IS suspicious, im sorry to those who disagree. it certainly doesnt implicate that he is a criminal, but especially as a neighborhood watch or just as a community member you SHOULD be lookin out for the other in your community. the race angle just isn't believable to me.

with prison culture in urban areas/rough neighborhoods you see a cycle of black fathers going to prison, single mothers unable to raise young boys, boys becoming men with no positive role models, then repeating the cycle. when/if the fathers do get out to raise their sons they have a prison culture instilled in them which is to act quickly, act violently and aggressively, often times over react, and do first/think second.

i do realize the system doesnt always work but i'm tired of always blaming 'the system.' every time an alarming statistic comes up or i see crime rates, it's always 'the system' to blame. even though there are SO many people in 'the system' tryin their hardest to make things better. so not only do those people bend over backwards to help complete strangers, but when things dont work out THEY get the brunt of the blame. at some point an individual person needs to take it upon THEMSELVES to make a change IN THE FAMILY. nobody has to try to save the world here, but they can start by saving their family from continuing the cycle

and i DO lump poor whites in this discussion but we are talkin about a black problem (crime rates, poverty, etc and i know that has to do with the large concentration of blacks in urban areas). I said before in this thread or maybe another one, that i dont get scared when a group of black guys in khakis and polos walk into the Unimart. I DO get suspicious when a group of black guys in wife beaters, sideways caps, baggy shorts and chains walk into the store, and i feel the SAME way if a group of hispanics or white guys lookin like that are around.

Sansa Stark

I can't fucking stand it when any dude adds "my" to any of my titles or my names

like son, I'm not your Queen, I'm not your Hermione, I'm not your Goddess, I will murder you in your sleep.

I did not consent to being anyone's so eat shit and die and give me all your money byeeee

The Batlord

But if they just call you "Queen", then isn't "my" still implied, even if not in your mind? Or do you just not care what they're thinking in their heads?

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Sansa Stark

No, cause I only allow dudes call me "their" anything if I've chosen to do so, and in D/s it's disrespectful, it's like calling me by the wrong title but far more presumptuous, which undermines the entire relationship because it implies they own Me, rather than the other way around.

The Batlord

So when they call you "queen" there's supposed to be an implied understanding that there is no possessiveness on their part? I actually find that kind of interesting in a "you learn something new everyday" kinda way.

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Sansa Stark

Yeah because it's my chosen title (Always capitalised btw), I figured out that if they mistitle you they prolly ain't gonna pay up and a lot of subs do that so much and it's super irritating but also v. important for the business relationship because it shows they can't even follow simple orders and are probably just a bossy bottom rather than an actual submissive. I won't take on anyone who mistitles me, and if they slip up at any point and call me Princess or Mistress I tax them $25 each time they do it. I call it the Queen tax. Possessiveness in the first few messages is a HUGE red flag for me of how needy and whiny they'd be if I let them serve Me.

You always call a Domme by Her proper title, Queen, Goddess, Princess, Goddess, Mistress...etc. If a Domme doesn't correct you, she's probably not a good domme either.