Is Meat Really Murder?

skaltezon · 11-10-2010, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

We have no moral justification for killing other animals, I agree. However, it's not something that will ever bother me enough to stop. Given a choice between a steak and perfect moral responsibility and understanding, leading to a form of nirvana in life, I'd choose the steak.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. Your use of the word 'moral' seems to refer to the standards of others rather than your own. Are you helpless to deny your appetite for steak?

MoonlitSunshine · 11-10-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by skaltezon

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. Your use of the word 'moral' seems to refer to the standards of others rather than your own. Are you helpless to deny your appetite for steak?

Moral as in compassionate, empathic, responsible actions. My morals are pretty clear to me, but I can understand how they would seem contradictory to others: Under certain circumstances I would very much be against the killing of animals, under others, perfectly happy with it.

My point was that I have a huge moral "grey area" in which whether something is morally right or wrong is unclear as a result of my own beliefs, and that I would prefer this and steak to a moral system under which there is no contradiction.

skaltezon · 11-10-2010, 01:20 PM

Holy cow.

Do you associate that with an acquired philosophy? How do you feel about self-indulgence, generally?

Arya Stark · 11-10-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

2) There's a logical flaw with your homosexual argument: Gay guys eat way more meat that straight guys.

That's obviously not what I meant.

MoonlitSunshine · 11-10-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by skaltezon

Holy cow.

Do you associate that with an acquired philosophy? How do you feel about self-indulgence, generally?

I believe everyone is entitled to a little self-indulgence, however there is definitely such a thing as over-indulgence. If one has enough to be comfortable, then one has an obligation towards society and the helping of others. Not Communism, but neither Capitalism. Everyone is entitled to receive for their works, and obliged to work for what they receive, but... at the same time, I have a problem with people who hoard and flaunt excessive wealth.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Do you associate that with an acquired philosophy?" Could you elaborate?

@AwwwSugar: ...Yes, I had thought it obvious from mine that I understood that.

~~Dirty~~ · 11-10-2010, 02:31 PM

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Gay guys eat way more meat that straight guys.

Violent & Funky · 11-10-2010, 03:15 PM

I was thinking about this the other day: apparently we as humans are not a "superior" species when compared to animals, as several of you have been so clear to communicate while scolding Dirty. Yet, we humans have people choosing not to eat meat, something that we as a species have been doing for thousands of years since our evolution and as omnivores were doing in nature before civilization. Other animals don't make conscious decisions to change their diets because of its positive effect on the environment or whatever. So then, how can that go both ways? How are we not therefore a superior species?

~~Dirty~~ · 11-10-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

I was thinking about this the other day: apparently we as humans are not a "superior" species when compared to animals, as several of you have been so clear to communicate while scolding Dirty. Yet, we humans have people choosing not to eat meat, something that we as a species have been doing for thousands of years since our evolution and as omnivores were doing in nature before civilization. Other animals don't make conscious decisions to change their diets because of its positive effect on the environment or whatever. So then, how can that go both ways? How are we not therefore a superior species?

Honestly I have no idea how anyone could think we aren't a superior species. But apparently a lot of people do, more than I thought, as evident by this whole discussion. It just doesn't really make sense to me how anyone could think that but whatever. Most the people in this thread put us on par with rats and frogs. Unreal.

Freebase Dali · 11-10-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

I was thinking about this the other day: apparently we as humans are not a "superior" species when compared to animals, as several of you have been so clear to communicate while scolding Dirty. Yet, we humans have people choosing not to eat meat, something that we as a species have been doing for thousands of years since our evolution and as omnivores were doing in nature before civilization. Other animals don't make conscious decisions to change their diets because of its positive effect on the environment or whatever. So then, how can that go both ways? How are we not therefore a superior species?

Animals don't need to make a conscious decision to change their diets because their nature doesn't have a negative effect on the environment or life as a whole. Why would they need to improve on that?
We, on the other hand, have the ability to make conscious decisions regarding our world and we still fuck it up constantly. Doesn't sound like superiority to me. Sounds a lot like stupidity. And I'll be the first one to admit being part of it.
When our species begins doing a better job at supporting life on this planet than the natural balance outside our influence, then you can claim superiority. Until then, all this human superiority crap is just ego being blown out of our asses because we're too self absorbed to handle the idea that our little talents aren't the end all be all of anything but our own self gratification circle jerk.

Violent & Funky · 11-10-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Honestly I have no idea how anyone could think we aren't a superior species. But apparently a lot of people do, more than I thought, as evident by this whole discussion. It just doesn't really make sense to me how anyone could think that but whatever. Most the people in this thread put us on par with rats and frogs. Unreal.

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