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Old 04-05-2005, 05:00 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If you use that quote in context with WWII, then yeah, it does seem to lose it's validity. However, keep in mind that that song was referring to the Vietnam War, so when you refer the quote to that war, it does make a whole lot more sense.
I hate the way the government decided to burst in there even though the whole American public seem to detest it so much. Maybe its cos they lost. Not that theres any winners in war of course.
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well hav u guys heard any of der otha songs like wait a mnute,i dont need a man and tainted love?

coz der preety gd u no!!!
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Old 04-05-2005, 05:01 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Well...how about ridding the majority of Europe from a facist, moustached Austrian dictator that killed a third of the Jewish population that threatened to have us all wearing swastikas screaming HEIL, HEIL and speaking german. how about that?
Yes, because that is part of an extremely famous song,i wasn't referring to the lyrics above,calm down
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Old 04-05-2005, 05:07 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I hate the way the government decided to burst in there even though the whole American public seem to detest it so much. Maybe its cos they lost. Not that theres any winners in war of course.
The way I see it, all wars are a tragedy, the vietnam was was a crime. There was no justification whatsoever for the US to be there, and the suffering, loss of life, just everything that the troops went through is astounding, and all for nothing. Actually no, I'd hate to say that all that suffering and death was for nothing, that whole period in time can be used as a lesson, the devastation and turmoil that is created by war, even more so by a war with no real justification.
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Old 04-05-2005, 05:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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If you want peace you must prepare for war.
thats from a movie...which moive is the question


I have nothing against protestors. Hell i protest on occasion. but the tactics used by some infuriate me. Burning effigies of political leaders is barbaric. its attention grabbing, immature, and disrespectful. if you want him outta office prove a case against him. don't burn a picture. mongrels
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Old 04-05-2005, 07:37 PM   #25 (permalink)
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If you want peace you must prepare for war.
You forgot to add the rest of the quote my friend, "I went into the Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I now believe that if you prepare thoroughly for war you will get it."

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Things take on a whole new meaning when you put them in context. Th sad thing is that our kids will never learn about the times of peace in our nations history simply because the "civilized" nations of the world (America) know more about war than they do about peace. Why do US peace efforts fail? Probobly because we have less experiance wmaintianing peaceful relations with countries than waging war on them.



As for your point stu I understand your frustration, and I agree that many people go to protests for the wrong reasons, but you can only hope that these same kids that go just to be cool acctually end up educating themselves and getting involved with a cause. And I still think that its really silly that people complain about litter when there country is murdering hundreds in foreighn countries. But yes I see the point your making and on some very small level I agree with you.
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Old 04-05-2005, 07:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I have nothing against protestors. Hell i protest on occasion. but the tactics used by some infuriate me. Burning effigies of political leaders is barbaric. its attention grabbing, immature, and disrespectful. if you want him outta office prove a case against him. don't burn a picture. mongrels
I have no respect for our president, and would burn a picture of him in a heartbeat. Its funny how radical war activists were prior to the Iraq war. Burning copies of the quran, throwing away French wines and war medals, boycotting german goods. Yet if one pamphlet is burned people pout about it.
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Old 04-05-2005, 08:55 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I protest straight to the point and to the people who are guaranteed to make more difference than I will with a sign shouting slogans....I trach my children about life and love and peace, and sharing and kindness to your fellow man...I have them around all races and punks and goths, my oldest sons dad is all about HIP HOP and my mom is a hippy, I expose them to make them realize that all people ar PEOPLE inside and have the rights to express themselves no matter who you are!
They are the future...our children, and they are who I put my energy into, cuz they will be the ones to make the most difference.....
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Old 04-06-2005, 10:48 AM   #28 (permalink)
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the way i see it, war is the final solution to a problem that is unsolvable. WWII, it was needed. WWI it was needed. the falklands, the afghan, the gulf, the korean, vietnam...just a waste of innocent lives. the iraqi war is a tough one. i think something needed to be done. but not at the intensity it was conducted in. the amount of innocent people who died made it all a bit pointless considering that was the main point for going to war anyway- saving lives.
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Old 04-06-2005, 10:50 AM   #29 (permalink)
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its a song. maybe i overestimated your knowledge of music.
a song not about WWII of course.
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Old 04-06-2005, 01:40 PM   #30 (permalink)
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a song not about WWII of course.
Of course, then he would have sounded stupid *does appropriate HURH, GOOD GOD Y'ALL, HURGH noises*
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