The Rest in Peace Thread (RIP)

The Batlord · 04-10-2021, 01:13 AM

Pretty sure he got arrested for dog fighting so I don't really care about him walking **** back but he still put out some bangers.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 04-10-2021, 01:44 AM

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | US rapper DMX given jail sentence

12 neglected dogs at his property including three carcasses. He plead guilty to animal cruelty.

Actually feel a bit sick.

debaserr · 04-10-2021, 08:26 AM

Yep that dog stuff just kinda makes you lose faith in humanity because you can see what all of us could do under the right circumstances, upbringing, trauma, etc.

Trollheart · 04-10-2021, 09:23 AM

Dawg

**Frownland** · 04-10-2021, 08:16 PM

Thanks everyone.

ando here · 04-10-2021, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

^^ That's exactly how I imagine a crackhead sounding.

Did this guy ever walk back on this?

No mention of his blatant and damaging homophobia in the eulogies, not surprisingly.

Self hate is a mofo. But there it is. Hip Hop is full of this kind of ambivalence. No getting around it. Shirtless, buff, hormone raging young dudes talkin **** about gay sex? Come on. The appeal is simultaneously disgusting and compelling. Glad he did it.

SGR · 04-10-2021, 10:24 PM

With hip-hop, like ando said, you gotta take the bad with the good.In nature, much of hip hop is braggadocio and machismo. Black culture is a little frostier with homosexuality - and back then, especially so. You won't find these kind of slurs/references (homophobia, f* word) often in modern hip hop. It has evolved - and unfortunately our society is such that even a few decades ago, this kind of discrimination was widely accepted. Hip hop has and will progress.

That said, despite some of his homophobia, DMX was an incredibly great rapper. Many remember him for party songs, but his catalogue has a lot more than that. He was demonstrably a great rapper. I always saw a lot of Pac in him.

adidasss · 04-10-2021, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ando here

Self hate is a mofo. But there it is. Hip Hop is full of this kind of ambivalence. No getting around it. Shirtless, buff, hormone raging young dudes talkin **** about gay sex? Come on. The appeal is simultaneously disgusting and compelling. Glad he did it.

Glad he did what, spread hate against gay/trans people? I'm not, obviously. There is no excuse for it.

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

With hip-hop, like ando said, you gotta take the bad with the good.In nature, much of hip hop is braggadocio and machismo. Black culture is a little frostier with homosexuality - and back then, especially so. You won't find these kind of slurs/references (homophobia, f* word) often in modern hip hop. It has evolved - and unfortunately our society is such that even a few decades ago, this kind of discrimination was widely accepted. Hip hop has and will progress.

That said, despite some of his homophobia, DMX was an incredibly great rapper. Many remember him for party songs, but his catalogue has a lot more than that. He was demonstrably a great rapper. I always saw a lot of Pac in him.

I won't regurgitate the same arguments I've already made here, but yeah, there are many problems in hip-hop that get written off as "part of the subculture". And I don't see why that's the case (maybe because I'm not an American). You don't have to take the bad with the good. You can be bothered by it, hold people accountable and listen to music you don't find problematic instead of overlooking stereotypes, prejudice and downright hate speech because it's "fun".

And as I keep saying, there core problem here is that there is a marked difference, still to this day and age, about how homophobia is treated and how racism is treated. Hopefully one day they will be equally condemned and people who have these kind of songs in their catalogue will be as condemned as racists are.

**Frownland** · 04-10-2021, 11:12 PM

AdidasSS back at it again. People are blase about homophobia and he's jealous af that his racism doesn't get the same pass.

SGR · 04-10-2021, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Glad he did what, spread hate against gay/trans people? I'm not, obviously. There is no excuse for it.

I won't regurgitate the same arguments I've already made here, but yeah, there are many problems in hip-hop that get written off as "part of the subculture". And I don't see why that's the case (maybe because I'm not an American). You don't have to take the bad with the good. You can be bothered by it, hold people accountable and listen to music you don't find problematic instead of overlooking stereotypes, prejudice and downright hate speech because it's "fun".

And as I keep saying, there core problem here is that there is a marked difference, still to this day and age, about how homophobia is treated and how racism is treated. Hopefully one day they will be equally condemned and people who have these kind of songs in their catalogue will be as condemned as racists are.

Out of curiosity, are you a fan of hip hop? If so - who's your favorite rapper? I mean hell, I don't think even Common would pass your litmus test of approved lyrics.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	AdidasSS back at it again. People are blase about homophobia and he's jealous af that his racism doesn't get the same pass. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-10-2021, 01:44 AM	#5902 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	BBC NEWS \| Entertainment \| US rapper DMX given jail sentence 12 neglected dogs at his property including three carcasses. He plead guilty to animal cruelty. Actually feel a bit sick.

04-10-2021, 10:24 PM	#5907 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,326	With hip-hop, like ando said, you gotta take the bad with the good.In nature, much of hip hop is braggadocio and machismo. Black culture is a little frostier with homosexuality - and back then, especially so. You won't find these kind of slurs/references (homophobia, f* word) often in modern hip hop. It has evolved - and unfortunately our society is such that even a few decades ago, this kind of discrimination was widely accepted. Hip hop has and will progress. That said, despite some of his homophobia, DMX was an incredibly great rapper. Many remember him for party songs, but his catalogue has a lot more than that. He was demonstrably a great rapper. I always saw a lot of Pac in him.