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04-11-2021, 12:47 AM | #5911 (permalink) |
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Not really, apart from the occasional song and a few Outkast albums.
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04-11-2021, 05:20 AM | #5912 (permalink) |
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What I know about hip-hop could be written on the back of a box of matches, without the box, but I mean come on: we get this everywhere. There are some metal songs/bands who are terribly homophobic/transphobic and (gasp) misogynist, but you can't censor people's right to sing about what they want to. A lot of the time it's just posture. A band or artist might sing "I hate [insert slur here]" but not believe it. I would expect it's probably only something to take seriously if they a) start putting that hate into practice (gay bashing/rape/child porno etc) or write about it elsewhere, or have it written in interviews like "hell yeah I hate [insert slur here] - should all be killed" etc.
In the end, they're entertainers and it's just music. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but I can guarantee you there are people who listen to that and don't bother about the content, or believe there's any real earnestness about it.
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04-11-2021, 06:26 AM | #5914 (permalink) | |
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I have a definite problem with how this kind of thing is casually written off. It's a double standard and I don't think that should be the case.
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04-11-2021, 07:57 AM | #5916 (permalink) |
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Ja homophobia in hip hop is a longstanding issue that, though dwindling, is ignored by some fans of classic artists. A lot of it does get flak though, things like Gil Scot's The Subject Was ***gots and Georgie Porgie seem to be universally decried from what I've seen.
We should take this information and do the respectable thing by gawking at DMX's addiction (to a poor person drug, no less) while his body's still warm.
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04-11-2021, 09:48 AM | #5917 (permalink) |
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Pssst.. it’s because he’s b***k, duh. It’s ok because his skin is dark, and there is certainly no nuance or historical context of homophobia in hip hop and Black culture. Its probably just because of the crack and the ghettos. And the Ebonics.
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04-11-2021, 02:27 PM | #5918 (permalink) | ||
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I'm very ignorant when it comes to hiphop, but:
- taking the bad with the good does not mean you're excusing or ignoring the bad. It just means that a lot of great art (especially of the past) happens to have bigotry issues, but that it would be a pity not to recognise and enjoy it in spite of that. You can condemn the bigoted aspect at the same time, and it's also important to distinguish between bigotry being adjacent or central to the art. The same thing applies to many old novels for instance and I bet that adi has enjoyed reading some of those in spite of their issues just like I have. I feel like people tend to be more critical of these issues in genres of art they don't like much. - complaining that hiphop gets special treatment in writing off bigotry issues is just plain nonsense. Trollheart pointed to metal, and there are countless other white subcultures (many sports for instance) where the same applies. In fact, I feel like hiphop may even get criticised more harshly than other subcultures for its depiction of women and sexuality, from racist motives
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04-11-2021, 02:51 PM | #5919 (permalink) | |
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Look there's definitely a double standard when it comes to criticising homophobia in hip hop and black culture but there's a reason. Part of it is certainly white people being afraid of calling out black people but just imagine the form it would take if white people as a whole did make it an issue to "re-educate" black people. I think instinctually white people, whether they are conscious of it or not, know it would just become a racist cultural pogrom against black people and so they just steer away from that to avoid a situation with no win state.
Is it perfect? No. But the reality of race relations means that it is what it is. And it's not like black people are dumb savages who aren't culturally advancing cause black people are incapable of seeing humanity in gay people. Just like plenty of conservative white people are better about this now than they were in the past.
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04-11-2021, 03:02 PM | #5920 (permalink) | ||
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hm, idk but maybe there is a double standard I haven't noticed, like I said I don't know much about hiphop. If there is, then your take on it makes a lot of sense
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