Today I Learned...

Anteater · 06-04-2019, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

North Texas is Dallas and then miles and miles of **** all

Funniest thing I've read all year. You really need to get out more.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Are you referring to the place with so much opportunity and so much to do that they can regulate business to the point of restriction and still be a desirable place to live? Ja, I guess that really disproves my point.

Womp womp.

**Frownland** · 06-04-2019, 05:19 PM

Whoa a business insider video? I can tell that you've really thought this through.

Anteater · 06-04-2019, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Whoa a business insider video? I can tell that you've really thought this through.

Freedom of the press my good man. What are you, some kind of fascist? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I agree. It’s too bad they lacked the courage to produce a culture where everybody can live there. Silicon Valley generated the wealth to create cummunal living spaces, comfortable rent controlled or even rent free housing for the people who created the culture they love, they could have preserved the Hispanic and black diversity but all they did was buy it and wall it off. They talk about connectivity and bridges but in terms of practice they live exactly like Trump. I’m no more welcome there than I am in the Trump Tower or Mar a Lago and they use the exact same power structure to exclude me. You can’t hoard wealth and property and not be the problem. I respect the republicans in north Texas more than property owners in the Bay Area because in actual practice they’re less exclusionary. The Republicans around here may be misguided but they’re not part of an oligarchical ruling class that actively limits my mobility. The Bay Area is prohibitively expensive. That’s real tangible oppression not just a philosophy.

Megachurch.

**Frownland** · 06-04-2019, 06:28 PM

Conclusion: America sucks from sea to shining sea.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Freedom of the press my good man. What are you, some kind of fascist? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pointing out your inability to support your own stances beyond regurgitating the culture war bull**** that you read on The Fedaralist is not a threat to freedom of the press.

Anteater · 06-04-2019, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Pointing out your inability to support your own stances beyond regurgitating the culture war bull**** that you read on The Fedaralist is not a threat to freedom of the press.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Or maybe you just don't have the attention span to actually look at what's happening over there. OH distilled a fair amount of what that video actually goes over. It isn't "culture war bull****", it's that SF is no longer a place where the vast majority of people can make a sustainable living. It's exactly the kind of place that Republicans love to use as a prime example of why liberals shouldn't run cities without right-wing oversight at the state level.

My comments about "freedom of the press" were more directed to your idiotic dismissal of a legitimate story covering a real problem rather than whether or not San Francisco had any good points culturally.

**Frownland** · 06-04-2019, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Or maybe you just don't have the attention span to actually look at what's happening over there. OH distilled a fair amount of what that video actually goes over. It isn't "culture war bull****", it's that SF is no longer a place where the vast majority of people can make a sustainable living. It's exactly the kind of place that Republicans love to use as a prime example of why liberals shouldn't run cities without right-wing oversight at the state level.

My comments about "freedom of the press" were more directed to your idiotic dismissal of a legitimate story covering a real problem rather than whether or not San Francisco had any good points culturally.

Did you really think that i dismissed the video itself? You don't think that linking up a video to respond to your ideas being challenged is a lazy copout? You genuinely don't believe that you're not participating in culture war bull**** by ****ting on the left and attempting to boost the right? Above all, Polly want a cracker?

Actually never mind all that, you're right: I lack the attention span required to watch a video to tell me what to think.

The Batlord · 06-04-2019, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Conclusion: America sucks from sea to shining sea.

Conclusion: humans aren't capable of governing themselves in complex systems since they don't understand complex systems.

OccultHawk · 06-04-2019, 06:42 PM

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Conclusion: America sucks from sea to shining sea.

Church

Anteater · 06-04-2019, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

without rent control the cost of living is going to go up if more people are wanting to live there

beyond that it has nothing to do with governance

Austin is becoming the same way next will be Portland or whatever

Maybe. I'd say the root of SF's problems is its archaic land-use code that effectively prevents anything taller than three or four stories from being constructed throughout the vast majority of the city.

While I don't generally advocate bulldozing existing homes to make room for newer, taller multifamily buildings, it's basic common sense that San Francisco needs far greater levels of urban housing density to even *begin* meeting the increased demand for it. The situation in Silicon Valley proper (and the East Bay) is vastly worse. Despite becoming one of the priciest housing areas in America, roughly 95% of its residential land contains traditional, suburban-style single-family houses. I've done a fair amount of business over there myself: I'm sure anyone who lives their can attest to what I'm talking about.

I'll also say this: despite a few scattered attempts over the decades to increase the area's housing density, neighborhood activists are the ones who created these problems originally...people who view practical change as anathema. This attitude has arguably spurred the region's housing crisis more than any other single cause. The rise of big Tech has only exacerbated and sped up the timeline for an inevitable collapse.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Did you really think that i dismissed the video itself? You don't think that linking up a video to respond to your ideas being challenged is a lazy copout? You genuinely don't believe that you're not participating in culture war bull**** by ****ting on the left and attempting to boost the right? Above all, Polly want a cracker?

Actually never mind all that, you're right: I lack the attention span required to watch a video to tell me what to think.

The video doesn't tell you "what to think" buddy: it was an investigation and a series of interviews with people who actually live there. The real estate situation over there is a legitimate crisis and the video does a better job than I could at illustrating all of the history associated with the issue. Your initial response, however, was a dismissal of the video itself because it came from Business Insider. If you think my response was a "lazy copout", then why would you bother responding the way you did?

**Frownland** · 06-04-2019, 07:31 PM

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Your initial response, however, was a dismissal of the video itself because it came from Business Insider.

Keep insisting that this is the case if you like, but that's not at all true. I got Ritz and saltines which one do you want

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