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Old 05-13-2019, 07:43 PM   #271 (permalink)
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I delicately and painstakingly made that point.
^ That's to your credit then, OH, because as we both know, delicate and painstaking instruction requires extra patience and effort.

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With ESOL (as we called them) I didn’t give a ****. I’m talking about black kids whose native language is English. They have just as much right to the ownership of their native tongue as anyone. 90% of it is verb conjugation which should be ****ing irrelevant whether it’s a medical journal or a text to a friend. If it’s communicated then mission accomplished.
^ There's relatively little conjugating for different persons in English; the verb Be, a few "s"s and that's about it. Tense changes are important because of the way meanings change. But whatever verb changes you're making, you should be doing the right thing for the right context.

Put what you like in a text to a friend, but if you're writing for a medical journal, your work will only be accepted if it is in correct formal language. Students should be aware that in many professions their ideas will be rejected if they are not expressed in the accepted syntax. However much you may disagree with that notion morally, we should prepare students for that rl attitude if we can - by teaching them the rules of grammar they will need for professional/academic writing.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:43 PM   #272 (permalink)
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In my experience, not being able to write for **** usually translates to not being able to communicate for ****, usually in the form of jarbled ass sentences. Also, given that speach is meant to communicate ideas, wouldn't a standardized system yield better results?
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:46 PM   #273 (permalink)
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:48 PM   #274 (permalink)
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Put what you like in a text to a friend, but if you're writing for a medical journal, your work will only be accepted if it is in correct formal language. Students should be aware that in many professions their ideas will be rejected if they are not expressed in the accepted syntax. However much you may disagree with that notion morally, we should prepare students for that rl attitude if we can - by teaching them the rules of grammar they will need for professional/academic writing.
Yeah. We agree. I just grew weary over time.

Language is never static though.
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^ LOL Surely a delicate and painstaking PM to Frownland would be kinder. Fancy calling him out like that in front of everyone!
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speach only exists to communicate ideas and if people are effectively communicating ideas to one another then there is no problem.
the problem in this case would be sounding like a dumbass
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:53 PM   #277 (permalink)
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In my experience, not being able to write for **** usually translates to not being able to communicate for ****, usually in the form of jarbled ass sentences. Also, given that speach is meant to communicate ideas, wouldn't a standardized system yield better results?
The ability to write in a basic white people sense doesn't really accomplish anything but be able to write in a way that make peoples think that you can write like the middle class, which is a pretty easy thing to do and communicates your ability to imitate normalcy in written form without any actual skill or intelligence being communicated.
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Yeah. We agree. I just grew weary over time.
^ Yes, totally. There are some errors that I've just given up on, and some of my colleagues actually start making the same mistakes themselves. E.G:in Spanish, the verb for taking an exam is presentar, so natually every student says, "I'm presenting an exam." After years of hearing this, some less-than-vigilant teachers start saying the same.

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The ability to write in a basic white people sense doesn't really accomplish anything but be able to write in a way that make peoples think that you can write like the middle class, which is a pretty easy thing to do and communicates your ability to imitate normalcy in written form without any actual skill or intelligence being communicated.
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The ability to write in a basic white people sense doesn't really accomplish anything but be able to write in a way that make peoples think that you can write like the middle class, which is a pretty easy thing to do and communicates your ability to imitate normalcy in written form without any actual skill or intelligence being communicated.
I know we’re on the same page so I’m not trying to school you but I still want to point out that yes if you were raised white middle class or higher that’s all you ever heard so of course. But for black kids from the projects they have to learn a new dialect from scratch. Ultimately the only course of action is to accomadate varying dialects without discrimination because the other two choices are linuisticide or perpetual headstarts for whitey.
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