Ayn Marx

That’s a point I hadn’t considered. I suspect in lots of cases it’s true. There’s an aspect of the last few decades exposing the sexual exploitation of children. Some calculating brats have learnt to make false accusations against teachers unless they are given better grades. A recent case here was thrown out of court when the school presented security surveillance videos covering the claimed assaults.
There’s another creepy side to all this. Psychiatrists tell us same sex exploration/experimentation is common with young males who in later years discover they’re not into it. They make themselves feel better by pretending they were forced into such scenarios. The problem we now have with all this is it’s becoming more difficult to catch the real offenders. One of the best solutions we have is providing the young with realistic, but not too scary, sex education at an earlier age than is now common in many ‘christian’ countries. As to christians and their place in all this, don’t get me started ! And before anyone jumps on me for that comment islam and other faiths are equally guilty.

Can’t help wondering if you’re speaking from experience. Things changed somewhat when AIDS hit the scene. Many who previously were ( there’s no other word) sluts toned down their activities. With the false security AIDS ‘cures' have provided defences are down again.

Ayn Marx

Speaking from personal experience ? ? ?

jwb

Yeah I'm speaking from my own experience.

Ayn Marx

Thanks for posting that. Not even a mention in the gay media here but this appeared on the ABC site.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...dies/100481386

ribbons

Thank you for that article. I didn't know that Stella McCartney is their son's godmother. Both men truly class acts with deep love and respect for each other. Couple goals!

Queen Boo

They also don't care about predators if they have the right letter next to their name on the ballot box.

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Guybrush

Some of it certainly has to do with a grown man putting his member inside the body of a child which would most likely cause both more physical and emotional pain and suffering. Generally speaking, the act of having sex with a grown ass woman is more likely to be physically pleasurable to young boys, though that is certainly not a guarantee it will be. I'm not saying they necessarily like it when granny sits on their face, but as a general jist of why we think differently about male and female predators, that probably has something to do with it.

Disclaimer for clarity: ofc it's all wrong. Don't bang the children.

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Ayn Marx

There’s some truth in what you say but for me the central issue is consent. Can, for instance, a ten year old, male or female, consent to having sex with an adult of either sex fully knowing what they’re getting themselves involved in?

My perspective is one people have argued with but I can’t get my head around the idea a young pre-pubescent child being regarded as a sexual being. Sensual maybe but sexual? So, even though my sex life started at 14 I just can’t agree with the idea of an adult seducing someone pre-pubescent. There’s another issue here seldom discussed. Today, young girls are entering pubescence far earlier than ever before due to chemicals polluting our environment triggering precocious development.

Guybrush

No, children can not consent. Well, they technically can by saying "yes, let's bang", but the principle that any consent a child gives is invalid is something I feel is very important. Also, they can't vote and they're full of shit.

In theory, something like a mutually beneficial / pleasurable sexual relationship could exist between adult and child (yuck). But the capacity for the child to understand the extent of what they're getting into is likely not great and the opportunity for the adult to take advantage / exploit / cause suffering is far too great. Children are vulnerable and need to be protected.

I'm pretty much a utilitarian, but I feel like the best and simplest way to deal with the issue is ofc to make it illegal. Not only does that help us avoid bad situations, but I think the general principles that it fosters in the minds and hearts of people will help reduce suffering in the world, even if it smothers the rare possibility of a mutually beneficial/functioning adult/child sexual relationship.

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By the way, I read Pamela Des Barres' autobiography I'm With The Band about the groupie scene around LA in the 60s/early 70s and.. man does it seem like there was a lot of pedophilia going on. Hey, teacher. Leave 'em dicks alone!

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jwb

that might be a factor in some cases but it's not THE factor. For example, my friend used to blow his mom's bf when he was like 12. The dude was 40 something. There's no penetration there but I think it will be met generally with a similar kind of disgust. If it was some milf letting a young boy eat her out very few of us would feel bad for the boy...