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07-07-2022, 05:25 PM

Yeah I'm speaking from my own experience.

Ayn Marx · 07-07-2022, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ribbons

I've always liked designer Tom Ford as a person and followed his interviews. I had no idea that Tom's husband, Richard Buckley, had passed away. So sad to learn of this - I greatly admired their relationship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSZy0ULHtA

Thanks for posting that. Not even a mention in the gay media here but this appeared on the ABC site.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...dies/100481386

ribbons · 07-07-2022, 07:24 PM

Thank you for that article. I didn't know that Stella McCartney is their son's godmother. Both men truly class acts with deep love and respect for each other. Couple goals!

Queen Boo · 07-07-2022, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

that's more because we don't take female predators seriously. If it's a male teacher with a female student people will lose their ****.

They also don't care about predators if they have the right letter next to their name on the ballot box.

Guybrush · 07-08-2022, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

that's more because we don't take female predators seriously. If it's a male teacher with a female student people will lose their ****.

Some of it certainly has to do with a grown man putting his member inside the body of a child which would most likely cause both more physical and emotional pain and suffering. Generally speaking, the act of having sex with a grown ass woman is more likely to be physically pleasurable to young boys, though that is certainly not a guarantee it will be. I'm not saying they necessarily like it when granny sits on their face, but as a general jist of why we think differently about male and female predators, that probably has something to do with it.

Disclaimer for clarity: ofc it's all wrong. Don't bang the children.

Ayn Marx · 07-08-2022, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush

Some of it certainly has to do with a grown man putting his member inside the body of a child which would most likely cause both more physical and emotional pain and suffering. Generally speaking, the act of having sex with a grown ass woman is more likely to be physically pleasurable to young boys, though that is certainly not a guarantee it will be. I'm not saying they necessarily like it when granny sits on their face, but as a general jist of why we think differently about male and female predators, that probably has something to do with it.

Disclaimer for clarity: ofc it's all wrong. Don't bang the children.

There’s some truth in what you say but for me the central issue is consent. Can, for instance, a ten year old, male or female, consent to having sex with an adult of either sex fully knowing what they’re getting themselves involved in?

My perspective is one people have argued with but I can’t get my head around the idea a young pre-pubescent child being regarded as a sexual being. Sensual maybe but sexual? So, even though my sex life started at 14 I just can’t agree with the idea of an adult seducing someone pre-pubescent. There’s another issue here seldom discussed. Today, young girls are entering pubescence far earlier than ever before due to chemicals polluting our environment triggering precocious development.

Guybrush · 07-08-2022, 07:15 AM

No, children can not consent. Well, they technically can by saying "yes, let's bang", but the principle that any consent a child gives is invalid is something I feel is very important. Also, they can't vote and they're full of shit.

In theory, something like a mutually beneficial / pleasurable sexual relationship could exist between adult and child (yuck). But the capacity for the child to understand the extent of what they're getting into is likely not great and the opportunity for the adult to take advantage / exploit / cause suffering is far too great. Children are vulnerable and need to be protected.

I'm pretty much a utilitarian, but I feel like the best and simplest way to deal with the issue is ofc to make it illegal. Not only does that help us avoid bad situations, but I think the general principles that it fosters in the minds and hearts of people will help reduce suffering in the world, even if it smothers the rare possibility of a mutually beneficial/functioning adult/child sexual relationship.

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By the way, I read Pamela Des Barres' autobiography I'm With The Band about the groupie scene around LA in the 60s/early 70s and.. man does it seem like there was a lot of pedophilia going on. Hey, teacher. Leave 'em dicks alone!

07-08-2022, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush

Some of it certainly has to do with a grown man putting his member inside the body of a child which would most likely cause both more physical and emotional pain and suffering. Generally speaking, the act of having sex with a grown ass woman is more likely to be physically pleasurable to young boys, though that is certainly not a guarantee it will be. I'm not saying they necessarily like it when granny sits on their face, but as a general jist of why we think differently about male and female predators, that probably has something to do with it.

Disclaimer for clarity: ofc it's all wrong. Don't bang the children.

that might be a factor in some cases but it's not THE factor. For example, my friend used to blow his mom's bf when he was like 12. The dude was 40 something. There's no penetration there but I think it will be met generally with a similar kind of disgust. If it was some milf letting a young boy eat her out very few of us would feel bad for the boy...

07-08-2022, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx

There’s some truth in what you say but for me the central issue is consent. Can, for instance, a ten year old, male or female, consent to having sex with an adult of either sex fully knowing what they’re getting themselves involved in?

My perspective is one people have argued with but I can’t get my head around the idea a young pre-pubescent child being regarded as a sexual being. Sensual maybe but sexual? So, even though my sex life started at 14 I just can’t agree with the idea of an adult seducing someone pre-pubescent. There’s another issue here seldom discussed. Today, young girls are entering pubescence far earlier than ever before due to chemicals polluting our environment triggering precocious development.

I don't actually believe that the way we even refer to consent in these cases has anything to do with desire to have sex, which is why it's counter intuitive. It only has to do with whether we deem you capable of responsibly making such a decision, which is a completely arbitrary standard we have set because we want to extend childhood another 10 years.

12 -14 year old brides was normal up until recently so the idea that these kids are biologically or mentally incapable of handling sex is a pretty recent invention. I do think they're probably better off being protected in this way... But then if we are perfectly honest there are definitely going to be people over the age of 20 who realistically would also be better off avoiding it.

However, people have sex drives. And I don't know about anyone else here but I think 14 years old was probably the horniest age of my life. I think everyone accepts that teenage sex with other teens is going to happen. We only bring consent in when an adult is involved because it's just about protecting them from predators really it's not actually about consenting to sex itself.

Cause if you are going to say the sex might traumatize them at that age then it stands to reason that sex with other teens also might traumatize them. We wouldn't let 6 year old have sex as long as it was with other 6 year olds, but we do this with teens because we realize intrinsically that they are sexual beings and we are attempting to suppress that or put it back in the box until we're ready to deal with it at age 18.

The Batlord · 07-08-2022, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush

No, children can not consent. Well, they technically can by saying "yes, let's bang", but the principle that any consent a child gives is invalid is something I feel is very important. Also, they can't vote and they're full of shit.

In theory, something like a mutually beneficial / pleasurable sexual relationship could exist between adult and child (yuck). But the capacity for the child to understand the extent of what they're getting into is likely not great and the opportunity for the adult to take advantage / exploit / cause suffering is far too great. Children are vulnerable and need to be protected.

I'm pretty much a utilitarian, but I feel like the best and simplest way to deal with the issue is ofc to make it illegal. Not only does that help us avoid bad situations, but I think the general principles that it fosters in the minds and hearts of people will help reduce suffering in the world, even if it smothers the rare possibility of a mutually beneficial/functioning adult/child sexual relationship.

edit:

By the way, I read Pamela Des Barres' autobiography I'm With The Band about the groupie scene around LA in the 60s/early 70s and.. man does it seem like there was a lot of pedophilia going on. Hey, teacher. Leave 'em dicks alone!

07-08-2022, 07:15 AM	#1447 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	No, children can not consent. Well, they technically can by saying "yes, let's bang", but the principle that any consent a child gives is invalid is something I feel is very important. Also, they can't vote and they're full of shit. In theory, something like a mutually beneficial / pleasurable sexual relationship could exist between adult and child (yuck). But the capacity for the child to understand the extent of what they're getting into is likely not great and the opportunity for the adult to take advantage / exploit / cause suffering is far too great. Children are vulnerable and need to be protected. I'm pretty much a utilitarian, but I feel like the best and simplest way to deal with the issue is ofc to make it illegal. Not only does that help us avoid bad situations, but I think the general principles that it fosters in the minds and hearts of people will help reduce suffering in the world, even if it smothers the rare possibility of a mutually beneficial/functioning adult/child sexual relationship. edit: By the way, I read Pamela Des Barres' autobiography I'm With The Band about the groupie scene around LA in the 60s/early 70s and.. man does it seem like there was a lot of pedophilia going on. Hey, teacher. Leave 'em dicks alone! __________________ Something Completely Different

07-07-2022, 05:25 PM	#1441 (permalink)
jwb Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah I'm speaking from my own experience.

07-07-2022, 07:24 PM	#1443 (permalink)
ribbons Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,265	Thank you for that article. I didn't know that Stella McCartney is their son's godmother. Both men truly class acts with deep love and respect for each other. Couple goals!