The queer corner

The Batlord · 08-06-2018, 03:42 AM

It helps that she's probably the least likely person on the forum to saying something like that seriously.

DwnWthVwls · 08-06-2018, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

First question would be, what are you, as a straight person, doing on a queer forum? [probable answer:trolling]
Second question, why do you need or think a "straight" corner would be beneficial to you?

I was trolling Batlord since he is probably the biggest offender of using homophobic slang and decided to be the threads biggest defender.

But to answer your questions:

1) I'm straight but genuinely care about human rights with a focus in the queer community.
2) It would be a place for straight people to discuss what they could do within their own circles that queer people may not be able to participate in. Don't pretend like straight hating doesn't exist in the queer community even if they are fighting for the queer side.

You should try to get to know the new members after a long hiatus, you might comprehend the responses and follow the discussion better. Lots of sarcasm around here and we all know each other's posting style well enough to typically understand the intent of the post.

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

It's hard to tell, since it's exactly the kind of thing some people would say.

I'm not one of them.

Oriphiel · 08-06-2018, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

And you think that posting what are clearly meant to be offensive gay stereotypes/jokes that contribute nothing to this thread, is not trolling?

Where did anyone post offensive stereotypes? If you're talking about those Hi-NRG songs, than I think you need to learn more about the genre. The scene was pivotal in bringing an acceptance of open and proud homosexuality to the mainstream.

If you're talking about the Hard Gay gif, than do you have a problem with a sexually aggressive person decked out in leather? 'Cause there are legit plenty of people like that, and belittling them is kinda bigoted. Rob Halford is disappointed in you, man.

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Am I reading the intentions behind some of the complaints wrong, or are some people here feeling offended that gay people don't want to talk to them or something? The point of a queer thread wouldn't be to exclude straight people, but to bring people who share a minority issue together so they can talk about it.

Complaints?

Maybe some LGBT members just find it funny that someone felt the need to make a "queer corner", when we've had no trouble with just discussing LGBT rights issues in the news thread, sexual experiences in the sex thread, etc. Maybe I was just explaining why I didn't feel the need to post in here in the future, but then changed my mind 'cause, eh, what the hell, why not?

~~MicShazam~~ · 08-06-2018, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I'm not one of them.

Allright, allright I'm sorry.

Oriphiel · 08-06-2018, 04:57 AM

Here's something I've been thinking about lately if you guys want to discuss it:

How much does someone's sexual orientation affect their personality? Like, if you suddenly realized that you want to start experimenting, or deep down you want to switch genders, and so on, how much do you think it would change the core of your person?

Afaik, it's never been scientifically proven that straight or LGBT people have higher or lower levels of average intellect, or are more prone to criminal behavior, or anything like that. And just because you'd rather have sex with one gender over another doesn't mean that you fulfill the image of what the world has accepted as an average LGBT person (the sassy gay fashionista, the butch lesbian, etc.). It's fine if you are, but obviously the archetypes don't perfectly apply to everyone.

LGBT people are as intellectually varied as straight people, and all have varying lifestyles. But I've met some LGBT people who kinda looked down on straight people, and certainly vice versa, and I've never understood that mentality. Like, they would have thought the person they're trashing talking was an awesome person if they didn't know their orientation, so why should it matter to them at all?

Anti-LGBT peeps almost always use the same "argument" to justify their bull****: "It's not natural!"

And I'm like, bitch, humans are animals, literally everything we do is part of our "natural" behavior.

Why do people give so much of a **** about what kind of person other people like to have sex with? As long as it's between consenting adults, why should it matter?

But here's my real question that I've been leading up to:

Was the movie Chasing Amy an awful and bigoted piece of trash, or was it actually a pretty smart look at problems that we all have to this day? People always **** on it because the girl (who identifies as a lesbian) ends up falling in love with a guy. They see it as some sort of commentary that all lesbians are just pretending, or something like that.

But I think the point was that sexual orientation isn't always clear cut. People always say "Being gay isn't a choice", and that's certainly true for some people, but for others, it takes a lot of experimentation before they really figure out who/what they want from life. And yet so many people, both LGBT and straight, look down on people who are unsure, especially when they say they're one orientation but then change their mind. They look at them like they're a traitor, or a faker, or something, when they're just trying to figure out what's what.

So, like, is the movie actually kinda insightful in that way? Did people misunderstand it?

~~MicShazam~~ · 08-06-2018, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Anti-LGBT peeps almost always use the same "argument" to justify their bull****: "It's not natural!"

That argument is so dumb it always cracks me up. "Not natural". So what? Is driving a car natural? We're human beings. We bend the world to our will.

Oriphiel · 08-06-2018, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

That argument is so dumb it always cracks me up. "Not natural". So what? Is driving a car natural? We're human beings. We bend the world to our will.

Exactly.

And, like, even if some deity came down from the heavens and said "Okay guys, here's my new and improved list of what is/isn't natural", I still wouldn't care, because "natural" is not synonymous with "better". Poison hemlock is "natural", but I'd much rather eat vat grown beef.

And again, technically everything we do/are is "natural". It's all just shades of human behavior.

DwnWthVwls · 08-06-2018, 06:22 AM

Ehh.. technically not. What's natural isn't determined by any human behavior. I think you're crossing the two common usages of the word.

I can understand your usage and agree with the way you use it for discussions sake, but that's not how the word is commonly understood or used.

Oriphiel · 08-06-2018, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Ehh.. technically not. What's natural isn't determined by any human behavior. I think you're crossing the two common usages of the word.

I can understand your usage and agree with the way you use it for discussions sake, but that's not how the word is commonly understood or used.

I was adressing both usages, and how no matter which usage people try to argue with, their arguments are still flawed.

In terms of "natural" being a following of naturally occuring behavior, everything humans do is part of that behavior. The towers we build, cars we drive, sex we crave, are all as natural as ants building hills.

And in terms of "natural" being what people should do, an arbitrary state of selective simplicity/innocence, it's incredibly hypocritical for people reaping the benefits of modern science and technology to draw moral lines in the sand against nonviolent things that are as fundamentally valid as other consensual lifestyle choices. Religious extremism has harmed far more people than homosexuality ever will, yet fundamentalists never seem to think of violent zealotry as "unnatural".

Oriphiel · 08-06-2018, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

homosexuality seems clearly natural regardless as it seems to exist (usually repressed) in every culture we study

And not just in humanity. Homosexual behavior occurs in a staggering number of other animals as well.

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Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,355	Here's something I've been thinking about lately if you guys want to discuss it: How much does someone's sexual orientation affect their personality? Like, if you suddenly realized that you want to start experimenting, or deep down you want to switch genders, and so on, how much do you think it would change the core of your person? Afaik, it's never been scientifically proven that straight or LGBT people have higher or lower levels of average intellect, or are more prone to criminal behavior, or anything like that. And just because you'd rather have sex with one gender over another doesn't mean that you fulfill the image of what the world has accepted as an average LGBT person (the sassy gay fashionista, the butch lesbian, etc.). It's fine if you are, but obviously the archetypes don't perfectly apply to everyone. LGBT people are as intellectually varied as straight people, and all have varying lifestyles. But I've met some LGBT people who kinda looked down on straight people, and certainly vice versa, and I've never understood that mentality. Like, they would have thought the person they're trashing talking was an awesome person if they didn't know their orientation, so why should it matter to them at all? Anti-LGBT peeps almost always use the same "argument" to justify their bull**: "It's not natural!" And I'm like, bitch, humans are animals, literally everything we do is part of our "natural" behavior. Why do people give so much of a ** about what kind of person other people like to have sex with? As long as it's between consenting adults, why should it matter? But here's my real question that I've been leading up to: Was the movie Chasing Amy an awful and bigoted piece of trash, or was it actually a pretty smart look at problems that we all have to this day? People always **** on it because the girl (who identifies as a lesbian) ends up falling in love with a guy. They see it as some sort of commentary that all lesbians are just pretending, or something like that. But I think the point was that sexual orientation isn't always clear cut. People always say "Being gay isn't a choice", and that's certainly true for some people, but for others, it takes a lot of experimentation before they really figure out who/what they want from life. And yet so many people, both LGBT and straight, look down on people who are unsure, especially when they say they're one orientation but then change their mind. They look at them like they're a traitor, or a faker, or something, when they're just trying to figure out what's what. So, like, is the movie actually kinda insightful in that way? Did people misunderstand it? __________________ ---------------------- \|---Mic's Albums---\| ---------------------- ----------------------------- \|---Deafbox Industries---\| -----------------------------