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Old 08-06-2018, 08:41 AM   #61 (permalink)
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homosexuality seems clearly natural regardless as it seems to exist (usually repressed) in every culture we study
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Old 08-06-2018, 08:46 AM   #62 (permalink)
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homosexuality seems clearly natural regardless as it seems to exist (usually repressed) in every culture we study
And not just in humanity. Homosexual behavior occurs in a staggering number of other animals as well.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:04 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:22 AM   #64 (permalink)
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I was adressing both usages, and how no matter which usage people try to argue with, their arguments are still flawed.

In terms of "natural" being a following of naturally occuring behavior, everything humans do is part of that behavior. The towers we build, cars we drive, sex we crave, are all as natural as ants building hills.

And in terms of "natural" being what people should do, an arbitrary state of selective simplicity/innocence, it's incredibly hypocritical for people reaping the benefits of modern science and technology to draw moral lines in the sand against nonviolent things that are as fundamentally valid as other consensual lifestyle choices. Religious extremism has harmed far more people than homosexuality ever will, yet fundamentalists never seem to think of violent zealotry as "unnatural".
Not what people "should" do, more the generalized commonality among a species. Eating paint chips is not natural human behavior just because some human decides to do it, even with this technicality argument youre trying to use. Do you plan to argue that a lion and an antelope raised in captivity who form a non-predator/prey relationship is natural?

Homosexuality is natural. People who use it in the way your describing are being dishonest.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:23 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Not what people "should" do, more the generalized commonality among a species. Eating paint chips is not natural just because some human decides to do it, it's not natural human behavior not even with this technicality argument youre trying to use. Homosexuality is natural. People who use it in the way your describing are being dishonest.
You're confusing common with natural.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:27 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Why are we discussing whether it's natural and why does it matter?
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No i'm not. Ori is misusing the common usage of the word. I already conceited for discussion sake I understand his points, but that's not how natural is used colloquially or scientifically.
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scientifically natural is referring to human behavior outside cultural and technological influence
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No i'm not. Ori is misusing the common usage of the word. I already conceited for discussion sake I understand his points, but that's not how natural is used colloquially or scientifically.
Not the best way to contradict someone who's saying that the word natural is commonly used incorrectly, is it?
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Yeah, anthropology totally ignores those things. What was I thinking?
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