The queer corner

**Frownland** · 08-06-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Cool than make an argument against the question I posed in my edit:

Do you plan to argue that a lion and an antelope raised in captivity who form a non-predator/prey relationship is natural?

Naturally.

DwnWthVwls · 08-06-2018, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Naturally.

DwnWthVwls · 08-06-2018, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiomara

Anyway, I sure hope this thread doesn't get bogged down by tedious Discourse™ about nothing.

I was hoping the OP would actually create some sort of discussion, but I don't see that happening so the children are now playing in the thread.

Key · 08-06-2018, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I was hoping the OP would actually create some sort of discussion, but I don't see that happening so the children are now playing in the thread.

I assumed the title of the thread was evident enough as to what the OP wanted to talk about. I took that it meant: "anyone who wants to discuss LGBT issues or topics can post in here". At least that's what I pulled from it. Seems pretty self explanatory.

DwnWthVwls · 08-06-2018, 08:46 AM

I'm just gonna role with the discussion Ori has started. Thanks Kiiii, you're wonderful

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-06-2018, 08:47 AM

This thread is classic MB.

If new posters want to see what this forum is about, just link them to this thread.

Key · 08-06-2018, 08:50 AM

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I'm just gonna role with the discussion Ori has started. Thanks Kiiii, you're wonderful

I'm just helping clarify since you seem confused.

Oriphiel · 08-06-2018, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiomara

I know that a lot of bisexual women (for instance) -- at least the younger ones-- will temporarily feel the need to change their appearance (I know you said personality, but I figure it's worth mentioning) so that other bisexual/gay women don't assume they're straight. "Bi invisibility," they call it. So they'll get a bad asymmetrical haircut and start wearing more plaid and have a Tegan & Sara phase or whatever. I can only speak for other women, but I know that realizing you're gay or bi can also cause you to reexamine and change your behavior to a degree-- I wouldn't say one's core personality changes but it can definitely change your behavior and make you suddenly hyper-aware of things like performative femininity and greatly reduce your willingness to participate in such things. I feel like things can get especially muddled and confusing for bisexuals, since we get demonized a lot and accused of merely experimenting before ultimately settling down with a man. But butch lesbians (for instance) definitely have it worse in terms of public misconceptions and such, even within the lgbt community.

And then there's the asexuals who still desire romantic relationships with those of the same sex; many lgbt people believe that if you do not actually have sex with those of the same sex, you can't call yourself gay/lesbian. I've always wondered how one should identify if, say, you're basically asexual, in part due to past sexual trauma, but can experience romantic love for the same sex, but do not wish to have sex (for whatever reason if not simple sex aversion/disinterest) despite wanting to be physically close/intimate with them in other romantic but non-sexual ways. Seems to be a lot of disagreement around the issue within the online communities I've lurked in.

But anyway, I think it partly depends on the level of aggressive social conditioning/repression that one experiences growing up; if one doesn't fully/consciously realize they're gay or bi till they're in their 20s or older then yes, I think that could very well change a core part of their personality upon accepting it-- or rather, a false part of our persona dies, one that was created in order to survive peacefully in bigoted small towns/closed-minded or abusive families or what-have-you.

Great points. It does make sense that people alter their appearance/mannerisms to correspond to their orientation, i.e. doing things that they think the people they're attracted to will like. Plenty of people from all kinds of backgrounds eventually find a culture or subculture that they associate with, and try (even if only in small ways) to fit into.

I guess what I'm really curious about is how much pressure people, both straight and LGBT, feel in terms of fulfilling certain roles that the community expects, and how those expectations compare/clash. I.e., like how straight men are often chastised for being "too feminine", or straight women for being "too masculine." I wouldn't exactly call myself 100% straight, but I've also only met a very small number of LGBT people, so I'm just really curious about the wider community.

Also, I've never met someone who identified as asexual, so I can't really comment, but I will say that there are all kinds of people with all kinds of needs and desires, so I personally wouldn't find it all that strange if someone wanted an intimate relationship with someone without sex being part of that relationship.

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I very much agree with the bolded part.

I don't actually remember much of the movie at all, but I recall not being too fond of it since I for one am tired of lesbians being written as confused bisexuals. I mean, it's just a movie-- I think the storyline is a bit dumb but I wouldn't say it's a ~commentary really. Lesbians ultimately realizing they're bisexual and vice versa-- it does happen, just not usually in the way it's depicted in tv and movies. A much more common story in real life is a gay person being strung along by their straight-but-bi-curious friend and getting hurt.

And then in other movies (including those written by women) you've got the Doomed Lesbians trope where one either dies or suffers horribly at the end and the other starts dating a man or whatever. The LGBT movies on netflix are a trainwreck for the most part. (I really wanted to like Blue Is the Warmest Color, but in the end it was just your average indie mumblecore type film but with lesbian sex thrown in. I mean, I liked it, but it wasn't amazing)

Anyway, I sure hope this thread doesn't get bogged down by tedious Discourse™ about nothing.

I mean, yeah, it isn't exactly the best movie ever, it's definitely flawed. I just thought it was a bit interesting, and that maybe people were kinda looking at it from the wrong angle.

Btw, Xena and Gabrielle are lowkey the greatest lesbian couple in movies/TV.

DwnWthVwls · 08-06-2018, 09:45 AM

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Btw, Xena and Gabrielle are lowkey the greatest lesbian couple in movies/TV.

Now you got me wondering if this ever happened... I miss those old fantasy shows.

http://www.afterellen.com/entertainm...rincess-reboot

Callisto feels left out.

Oriphiel · 08-06-2018, 11:37 AM

Top ten gay pride track:

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Callisto feels left out.

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