The #metoo thread (sexual assault and/or misconduct discussion)

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Is that falsifiable and would you consider the response to stubbing your toe a choice?

It's not a choice if I don't have a choice.

But they autonomously function and we are them so we are autonomous.

So you're a compatibilist. So long as you aren't being hindered or coerced you have freewill? Cause if that's not what you're saying then you're using autonomous in two different ways here. To autonomously function simply means to function without interference, but to be autonomous in an incompatibilist sense means more than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatibilism

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by 66Sexy

It's not a choice if I don't have a choice.



So you're a compatibilist. So long as you aren't being hindered or coerced you have freewill? Cause if that's not what you're saying then you're using autonomous in two different ways here. To autonomously function simply means to function without interference, but to be autonomous in an incompatibilist sense means more than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatibilism

*autonomously control our actions

Poor wording, you got me.

I don't think that there is a mind/body separation, so to say that your brain is in control of your actions is the same as saying that you are in control of your actions. Like I said, it's not either/or.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Decisions are chemicals

Yes

Except decisions don’t exist. Only the illusion of decisions exist and yes that is indeed purely chemical

So you think if there are a finite set of actions but we are only free to choose which action to take instead of any action we want then we don't have free will?

Goddamn dude

How clear do I have to ****ing be? We don’t choose anything.

chemicals do however behave with entropy

Unless you think they control empathy that’s irrelevant

Then don't use them synonymously

I didn’t. Did you?

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Goddamn dude

How clear do I have to ****ing be? We don’t choose anything.

I'm just confused by this.. you believe our actions are determined based entirely on uncontrollable chemical interactions, but we have the capacity to add different chemicals into the equation.. So where does that fit into your ideology?

If I can add different chemicals into my body that I know will produce certain effects (even if I dont have direct will over the effects those chemical interactions produce), I still have no free will?

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

*autonomously control our actions

Poor wording, you got me.

I don't think that there is a mind/body separation, so to say that your brain is in control of your actions is the same as saying that you are in control of your actions. Like I said, it's not either/or.

Think of it like this. You take a ****. That **** has no control over itself. That’s exactly how much control your brain has. None.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Yes

Except decisions don’t exist. Only the illusion of decisions exist and yes that is indeed purely chemical



Goddamn dude

How clear do I have to ****ing be? We don’t choose anything.



Unless you think they control empathy that’s irrelevant



I didn’t. Did you?

Is "you" or "we" synonymous with the brain?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Think of it like this. You take a ****. That **** has no control over itself. That’s exactly how much control your brain has. None.

Your dick is controlled by your brain. So what's the foreign element that is controlling your brain?

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I'm just confused by this.. you believe our actions are determined based entirely on uncontrollable chemical interactions, but we have the capacity to add different chemicals into the equation.. So where does that fit into your ideology?

If I can add different chemicals into my body that I know will produce certain effects (even if I dont have direct will over the effects those chemical interactions produce), I still have no free will?

Let’s be honest. If Frown can’t get this you’re certainly not going to.

You don’t have any control over anything at all. You don’t control your response to this. It is impossible for anyone to control anything.

[DwnWthVwls]

Good answers and question dodge.. We've already established I don't have control over my actions because the chemicals do it all. So I'm asking what happens when someone manipulates the chemicals that do the decision making, and your answer is "your too dumb to understand my weak argument".

[Frownland]

That's how easy answers go.