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Old 07-25-2014, 01:22 PM   #14311 (permalink)
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They aren't aliens. Also, that movie is great, second only to the Terminator movies and Aliens in his catalog IMO.
i like it as well but they aren't aliens?? i thought they were but then again i saw that film as a kid and i didn't understand everything in the film but from what i remember the "aliens" weren't evil and tried to kill us humans they were just chilling underwater until the humans discovered them.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:58 PM   #14312 (permalink)
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I just watched Snowpiercer. I'm going to write it up tomorrow.

SEE THIS MOVIE. It's on VOD right now for like seven bucks and well worth it. Hell, it's still in some theaters. You have no excuse bob. It's a riot and also incredibly badass. Watch it.
I got the ending spoiled for me but I'm watching it tonight.
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:00 PM   #14313 (permalink)
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the abyss.

Probably the worst james cameron flick. It's clear cameron just wanted to build a fun submarine world he could play in and wrap a movie around. Some super lame aliens. Bland unmemorable characters. Film looked great. Felt at times like "aliens" in underwater, minus well the cool aliens.
I take it you have not seen Piranha II....
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:11 PM   #14314 (permalink)
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They aren't aliens. Also, that movie is great, second only to the Terminator movies and Aliens in his catalog IMO.
How is the movie great?
How are you sure they aren't aliens? The movie never says they aren't aliens. The giant alien ship would suggest they are aliens.
When was the last time you saw it?

Maybe it just hasn't aged very well? It's just not a very good movie. The main female protagonist seems like she was cast to be the sigourney weaver equivalent.

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I take it you have not seen Piranha II....
nope. haha. I may enjoy it though, ill add it to my list.
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:56 PM   #14315 (permalink)
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I thought The Abyss was pretty awful too. The Terminator films and Aliens are the only Cameron films I've liked. His films are just too pretentious for me, and that's saying a lot.
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Old 07-25-2014, 11:49 PM   #14316 (permalink)
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How is the movie great?
It's moving, exciting, has good characters, an interesting premise and interesting setting.

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How are you sure they aren't aliens? The movie never says they aren't aliens.
I don't think the movie ever says they are aliens either. They clearly live on Earth so I'd say that makes them not aliens.

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The giant alien ship would suggest they are aliens.
The humans also have a giant ship but that doesn't make them aliens.

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When was the last time you saw it?
Two or three years ago.
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Old 07-26-2014, 02:23 AM   #14317 (permalink)
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It's moving, exciting, has good characters, an interesting premise and interesting setting.
Agree for the most part. Yet it all doesn't culminate into a great film for this viewer. It's never really riveting. It's well directed but very predictable. When the character are(considering the circumstances)fairly go lucky, even keeping hollywood machismo in mind, it's hard to ever feel the tension and uncertainty the premise of this movie would have you expect. Bud sacrifices himself so often by the end of the film your desensitized to it. I could list quite a few just obscene instances that take you out of the film as well.
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For example, on Bud's way to disarm the bomb he is already introduced to the aliens-or what have you's-light. No mention of it is made during the scene. So for this seemingly emotional gripping scene we are constantly aware that even if Bud dies the aliens are literally right around the corner. It's hard to to have much desire for Bud to succeed because you know the aliens are going to save him sooner or later


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I don't think the movie ever says they are aliens either. They clearly live on Earth so I'd say that makes them not aliens.
Fair enough. You can't assert they aren't aliens either. Still an alien species regardless of how you look at it.
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Old 07-26-2014, 02:31 AM   #14318 (permalink)
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I just watched Snowpiercer. I'm going to write it up tomorrow.

SEE THIS MOVIE. It's on VOD right now for like seven bucks and well worth it. Hell, it's still in some theaters. You have no excuse bob. It's a riot and also incredibly badass. Watch it.
Just watched this. Very good movie. It's reminiscent of oldboy, in that it's believable but not at all logical. Some crazy demented humor.

Have to geek out and say i think thiswould have made for a great video game. Similar to Bioshock in some instances(even has some FPS gun angles). Tilda Swinton can play a cold hearted bitch like no other. The film is so linear, you follow the same character going straight, level by level, in one direction. I love these kinds of ryhtmic, point to point films, the new judge dredd is another example of this. It feels rewarding to gain inisght piece by piece.
Curious to read the original comic it's based on now.
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Old 07-26-2014, 10:33 PM   #14319 (permalink)
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Agree for the most part. Yet it all doesn't culminate into a great film for this viewer. It's never really riveting. It's well directed but very predictable. When the character are(considering the circumstances)fairly go lucky, even keeping hollywood machismo in mind, it's hard to ever feel the tension and uncertainty the premise of this movie would have you expect. Bud sacrifices himself so often by the end of the film your desensitized to it. I could list quite a few just obscene instances that take you out of the film as well.
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For example, on Bud's way to disarm the bomb he is already introduced to the aliens-or what have you's-light. No mention of it is made during the scene. So for this seemingly emotional gripping scene we are constantly aware that even if Bud dies the aliens are literally right around the corner. It's hard to to have much desire for Bud to succeed because you know the aliens are going to save him sooner or later
Not sure I really follow what you're getting at. He does a few heroic things in the movie—not unusual for the main character in a James Cameron film—and none of that desensitizes me to any later heroic acts.

As far as your spoiler comment goes...

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Why would I assume they'd save him? You don't know if they're friend or foe until pretty much the end of the movie. The first time I saw it I certainly hoped they would, but that's most movies—you hope that things work out in the end but you don't really know where its going for sure.


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Fair enough. You can't assert they aren't aliens either. Still an alien species regardless of how you look at it.
Sure I can, based on the fact that they live on Earth.
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Old 07-27-2014, 01:52 AM   #14320 (permalink)
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Not sure I really follow what you're getting at. He does a few heroic things in the movie—not unusual for the main character in a James Cameron film—and none of that desensitizes me to any later heroic acts.
Yes, so we can at least agree it was very formulaic. Something I minded more than you.

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Why would I assume they'd save him? You don't know if they're friend or foe until pretty much the end of the movie. The first time I saw it I certainly hoped they would, but that's most movies—you hope that things work out in the end but you don't really know where its going for sure.


Because it was blatant, and easy to deduce? Either you are very easily surprised or being intentionally coy. They/it had a positive encounter with the female prior.

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Sure I can, based on the fact that they live on Earth.
Fine. The imdb synopsis reads the following:
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A civilian diving team are enlisted to search for a lost nuclear submarine and face danger while encountering an alien aquatic species.
Though admittedly, IMDB isn't necessarily a bastion for truth
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