lieasleep

oh sorry i forgot song length determined whether or not a band was punk or not. i will give it to you that early hives is punk but 1. to group them in a top ten.... no and 2. punk? this?:

rastar

Rasta Knast
Dritte Wahl
Terrorgruppe
Berurier Noir (the best french punk band)
Ton Steine Scherben
Die Ärzte
Die Toten Hosen
Rawside
Zaunpfahl
Knochenfabrik

BTown

I think you fail to understand that one song doesn't define a bands genre.



Obviously, this song isn't punk but the Bad Brains still are. I beleive they were on your top ten list, correct?

And as much as I don't like some of these bands, Blink 182's first 2 albums are punk, Green Day's early stuff is punk as well.



I'd compare that to something like Screeching Weasel.

The Hives have some garage punk stuff as well and AFI's first album is definitely a hardcore punk album.

And refering back to your top ten list if we're going to get picky about what's punk and what's not I could argue Andrew Jackson Jihad isn't punk.

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lieasleep

^of course adrew jackson jihad is punk, i wanted to throw one folk-punk band into the mix, i guess what i see in those bands are all of them selling out, they all got big on the "punk" image and then went on to make complete **** for nothing but money. something that is not punk, at all.

also the hives are far from punk now, are they not? the last two albums have not been punk at all. arguably three. also, bad brains was a cheap shot considering they are about as punk as it comes.

the point that i am trying to make is that musically, a band may be punk, but if what drives the band is not punk then that defeats the purpose entirely. punk really lies in everything not musical just as much as the music itself. it is attitude, ideals, etc. Johnny Hobo and the Freight Trains (since i see it on your last fm) is entirely punk, despite coming in a folk wrapping, patti smith is punx as fux. blink, green day, afi, they put out a few decent c.d.s that turned out to be ****ing lies. if you ask me, artists from the "indie" and "lo-fi" genres are more punk then them, despite their music being entirely un-punk.

Violent & Funky

I label music genres based on how it sounds, not how they act outside the studio and off the stage. Why is punk the only genre where you have to earn the right to be called truly "punk"? Do you have to wear all black to be considered a death metal band, or is playing actual death metal music enough to meet your standards?

I couldn't give two ****s if Blink or Green Day eventually sold out. At the time captured by their previous recordings they were most certainly punk and that's what I'm listening to.

The Hives more recent albums simply represent them progressing their sound. I like to call it the London Calling Effect. Does London Calling mean that The Clash isn't a punk album? I think not. You are just too caught up in presenting an image that you can't just appreciate the music some bands create. I listened to a Fall Out Boy album yesterday. There, I said it. I even enjoyed a couple of the tracks. And they sounded kinda punk...

Violent & Funky

Actually, song length kinda does characterize punk music.

And what do you have against The Hives? If I were to make a list I'd probably put them in my top ten. Is it really that big of a deal? They are a quite well respected band...

Liljagare

Actually I do. I guess everything just depends on your definition of punk in the end.

lieasleep

*i put one line in bold because it is, itself, so awful and terrible a sentence that i need not argue against it.

ok 1. don't talk to me like you know me.

2. it is not image in punk that i am worried about, it is the sincerity. and i sure as hell liked blink and green day when i was 14, but i am not the little twat i was then. i realize now that entirely MUCH better music with overwhelingly sincerity has been made

3. you do not have to "earn" any right to be called punk. just don't make ****ty little songs that could be produced by any 16-year-old-disney-star-bitch, add distortion and a male voice and call it punk. punk grew as a reaction. real punk is entrenched in raw power, dirty, pissed off punks, truely believing in the **** that you are prosthelytizing, actually standing for something. punk music itself was a reaction. punk music's existence was supposed to be a protest, but that protest got eaten up by major record labels and making punk into an image. like i said before, punk is just as much in an artist's or band's convictions as it is in their music. punk has been dead for over twenty years and is only really alive in the infinitely small circle of folk-punk (head on over to plan-it-x records and have a listen) and d.i.y. punk artists of today (Bomb the Music Industry, etc.) i have been to vans warped tour, i have seen punk of today, and it is anything but.

and no, song length has nothing to do with it.

BTown

I strongly think punk is still alive, you obviously haven't listened to bands like Leftovr Crack and CHoking Victim.

And you're using the term punk to describe someone as a person and not as a type of music when everyone here is talking about punk music.

If you've ever eard of Stza Crack he lives a Crust Punk lifestyle, doing hard drugs and squatting (taking over abonded buildings for large groups to live in) If you were to listen to his music you'd be able to see he doesn't play crust punk so just because of the wa he chooses to live shouldn't chracterise the style of music he plays.


You don't have to be angry and pissed off and protest stuff to be punk.

And my Bad Brains comment was most certainly not a cheap shot in any way and you saying that they are as punk as it gets doesn't justify it being a cheap shot in anyway. Whenever you don't have anything valid to say back to a comment doesn't make it a cheap shot.

And stuff playing at vans warped tour isn't the only punk there is today.

There's nothing wrong with that kid liking a fall out boy song.

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lieasleep

i love them, they are great, but an ultra minority

i am describing the music, but as i have to keep repeating, the sincerity is just as important, and that includes lifestyle, the music and lifestyle are dependent on eachother, it HAS to be talked about. if it is not then you are missing the point of punk

then what do you have to be to be punk?

of course it was a cheap shot, you twat.

duh.

no, that kid can like anything he likes. that doesn't stop fall out boy from being ****.