Ramones vs. The Clash

The Monkey · 01-22-2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by indietrash3

incorporating reggae = musical genius now?

also no they're not a punk band. they're major label rebellious anarchyists. **** them. put on some Rudimentary Peni and be done with these rock stars.

The first album is doubtlessly punk, and even if their later aren't, so what? It was by evolving their sound, which Ramones (or the Sex Pistols) never did, that they became the better band. If that makes them less punk, so be it.

indietrash3 · 01-22-2010, 08:34 AM

have you realised that rock stars always seem to lie so much?
John Lydon once said he cared, but he never gave a ****.
said he'd use the money he made so that people would have somewhere to go.
but now he lives in the USA and snorts coke after the show.

why is it that rock stars always seem to lie so much?
Joe Strummer once said he cared, but he never gave a ****.
said he'd use the money he made to set up a radio station to make the airwaves full of something more than ****.
have you noticed that we're still waiting?

you must realise that rock stars always seem to lie so much.
some will tell you that they care, but they don't really give a ****.
still you suckers don't ever learn that rock stars deal in money, not truth.
it's good business to exploit you, just look at Lydon or Strummer for proof.

**Janszoon** · 01-22-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by indietrash3

have you realised that rock stars always seem to lie so much?
John Lydon once said he cared, but he never gave a ****.
said he'd use the money he made so that people would have somewhere to go.
but now he lives in the USA and snorts coke after the show.

why is it that rock stars always seem to lie so much?
Joe Strummer once said he cared, but he never gave a ****.
said he'd use the money he made to set up a radio station to make the airwaves full of something more than ****.
have you noticed that we're still waiting?

you must realise that rock stars always seem to lie so much.
some will tell you that they care, but they don't really give a ****.
still you suckers don't ever learn that rock stars deal in money, not truth.
it's good business to exploit you, just look at Lydon or Strummer for proof.

Are those Anti-Flag lyrics? You diss The Clash as hypocritical and The Ramones and trend-hoppers and then you quote Anti-Flag? Hilarious.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-22-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by indietrash3

have you realised that rock stars always seem to lie so much?
John Lydon once said he cared, but he never gave a ****.

Those lyrics lost credibility at that point.

million dollar basher · 01-22-2010, 10:58 AM

Yeah, I agree for the most part. I grew up skating too, and I almost always had a few Ramones' tracks on the skate-tapes. The early Clash definitely fit the punk mold, though. Like "White Riot", as an example. Even "Remote Control" shared some dynamics with the Ramones-type punk music. I think there's a huge distinction between "Punk" and "Hardcore", though. I mean, the Clash were really trail blazers of the genre, and they definitely helped to jumpstart Punk and all that it would eventually encompass. It's a bad idea, most of the time, to try to evaluate the classics, the Clash in this case, by current standards. Obviously, the Clash's style is vastly different from, say, NOFX, one of the most prominent "Punk" bands of the current pantheon of major players, but that doesn't negate the fact that they were of the first breed of Punk music.

indietrash3 · 01-22-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Are those Anti-Flag lyrics? You diss The Clash as hypocritical and The Ramones and trend-hoppers and then you quote Anti-Flag? Hilarious.

Anti-Flag?

**Janszoon** · 01-22-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by indietrash3

Anti-Flag?

I googled the lyrics and that's who came up. Is it some other other shitty punk band instead?

indietrash3 · 01-22-2010, 04:17 PM

Alfred · 01-22-2010, 04:38 PM

Boring, repetetive, and nauseating.

duga · 01-22-2010, 04:40 PM

ugh...agreed.

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million dollar basher Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: trapped in a basement Posts: 184	Yeah, I agree for the most part. I grew up skating too, and I almost always had a few Ramones' tracks on the skate-tapes. The early Clash definitely fit the punk mold, though. Like "White Riot", as an example. Even "Remote Control" shared some dynamics with the Ramones-type punk music. I think there's a huge distinction between "Punk" and "Hardcore", though. I mean, the Clash were really trail blazers of the genre, and they definitely helped to jumpstart Punk and all that it would eventually encompass. It's a bad idea, most of the time, to try to evaluate the classics, the Clash in this case, by current standards. Obviously, the Clash's style is vastly different from, say, NOFX, one of the most prominent "Punk" bands of the current pantheon of major players, but that doesn't negate the fact that they were of the first breed of Punk music.