I'm looking for two things at the moment.

1) Abstract Hip-Hop with great lyrics.

2) Hip Hop + Indie Rock. Like Beck, Astronautalis and Why?

Anyone got any ideas?

Look for Genocide (it is not band, he is solo artist but he rocks :D )

Dalek fits the first option very well. Very abstract sounds, with socially conscious lyrics.

Dalek is great. I love Absence. Any other ideas?

Well, try Bike For Three. They're another anticon act. In fact, try any and all anticon that you can. Alias & Tarsier was nice (Brookland//Oaklynn). Sole and Skyrider Band. Themselves. 13 & God. Pedestrian. Thee More Shallows. Telephone Jim Jesus. Restiform Bodies.

I'll give it one more try.

They're more on the comical side at times, but Company Flow are great. Their album, Funcrusher Plus is a very important underground album. I would post a specific track, but I would recommend the whole album.

http://www.plugonemag.com/wp-content...usher-plus.jpg

They have another album that's all instrumentals, Little Johnny from the Hospital, that I enjoy very much.

Suzy Pulled a Pistol on Henry



El-P was a member of Company Flow, and his solo stuff is pretty awesome. His album I'll Sleep When You're Dead is a lot like Dalek, but more quirky. His lyrics aren't mind blowing, but hes pretty good and his backing tracks are great.

I wishlisted Funcrusher Plus the other day as well. I'll get round to listening to it ASAP. Thanks.

I love that album man. The production value is top notch. His style of hip-hop is unique and different from the mainstream. Very good stuff.

I had *my* mind blown by El-P's lyrics on his solo records. I love the hell out of Fantastic Damage.



Preliminary di-section of Deep Space 9mm. Thoughts? Suggestions? Additions?
Note: the first 2 sets of parentheses are whispered by El-P, and I imagined it as a hint to break down the song line for line... so... the rest are my notes.

One two
you're behind the walls of new Roma, you wanna buy the farm (you wanna kill yourself)
But the land's not yours to own (but your life's not yours to take)
Who owns Police? Who holds fold green, sold sand to beach? (Look at who owns everything)
Blood beach (Sell us what we don't need, we kill for it)
Dance with the land sharks clutchin' heat, ugly (Dodgin' the other hustlers in the streets)
monks hung, halo teach (this one gets me, but... they teach the halo, but kill the monk...)
Hung by the math where the cables reach (I don't even know if this is accurate)
[Hung by the map with a capo reach]
A hundred and sixty-six channels lit
They train that animal **** (TV is mental conditioning)
Where the mind's eye redefines
Where's God?
Buy car, Kick tires (Idolize our possessions, our homes, gear, vehicles)

Back in Eighty-Six I lived
for the four-course artistry (the four pillars of hiphop: graffiti, bboy, prod., rap)
In other words took turns showin' off colors and **** (showin' off what he could do)
Like I invaded a mating dance ritual (and they weren't havin' it)
Criminal now (outcast)
Why the things we find beautiful undermine power?
El Product flash vet text, mother****ers is like "Al, why haven't we lept yet?"
dithering sine wave twang for youth and brain management truth
Then vanish like "poof"
You can't touch the Krush Groove
I live on the lunch table
Touched fables
Ducked labels
capitol one heat em live for the terrordome stables
Signed to Rawkus?
I'd rather be mouth ****ed by Nazis unconscious
(He was with Rawkus with Company Flow; let's say they left on bad terms and he went on to make his own label, Definitive Jux)

Callin' all bomb threats
the Radio re-activated Koresh! (probably THE david K. of WACO religious cult incident)
Under hellafied missle defense
Fenced in, better blame it on... /feign ****ty grin (its our fault, and those before us, that we are in the spots we're in, feign a ****ty grin in the face of your accuser)
Walk with a bag full of kittens
Take me to the river and throw yourself in (do the world a favor)
In about four seconds the ether will begin to leak [or release]

Who wanna hold hands with this sicko malnutritionist
Soaked in newspeak? [Love the 1984 references throughout]
Dissolve into the syncopated fragments of vinyl
splashed on loose leaf
We can embrace on the business end
of my face first Joe vs. the Volcano suicide leap [Sick]
Dance with the vinyl monster
Devil in blue sky flyin' with clean conscience [devil in heaven?]
Save the gesture
you can't save the children, we weren't worth the effort [apparently, that's how it's been goin']

I'm a Caveman
Your modern ways frighten and confuse me
I watch your spirit box with the blinking lights and think
Are those little people trapped in that box? (No, Caveman)
But I do know converted mic digital 8-bus Mackie Avalon compression
Combined with 8-step perfected
Dirty words paralyze crumbs and infect ****
Infectious

Insofar as the ineffectual beg for the lectures

Development arrested

Trapped in the Cuckoo's nest

Looking for the nexus

If it's wild like that child fire 'em

infrared scope in the clutch of a tyrant

New World lullaby, Sirens

Stuck migrants, lust and blind violence
It's all bad timing
Getting murked on a Tram over Roosevelt Island
You think that's spacey?
Deep Space 9 millimeter, son, keep smiling

This is for the fringes and such
my generation just sit like ducks
see the rubble glisten that what I trust
tell the historians I'm right here holding my nuts
Right here holdin' my nuts
Right here holdin' my nuts
Right here holdin' my nuts
Right here holdin' my nuts (guardin' my own ****)

Existence on the fringes and such
My generation make friends with slugs
Thank god for the drugs and drums!!!
Tell history that I'll be right here hiding from guns

right here hidin' from guns
Right here hidin' from guns
Right here hidin' from guns

For the love of god, run

Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst

His lyrics are damn good, don't get me wrong. But I remember my mind being blown specifically the first time I heard his production on I'll Sleep When Your Dead. I haven't heard Fantastic Damages yet either, so that may be the case.

Hell yeah dude. El-P has always been super underrated as a lyricist i feel like.

I love this verse in particular

Not sure where else to ask this, but is there any discussion of foreign (non-english speaking) hip hop on this forum?

Not too much unfortunately, but I'd love to discuss it if you're interested in starting a thread about it. I'm sure there are others around who'd be interested as well. I have some suggestions of my own in that department and was very intrigued by your mention of French hip hop in your intro post.

My friend showed me Zeebra. It's the only song I've heard by him, but I liked it.

Yeah cool, I'll do that tomorrow and will make some proper recs. Too tired right now though.

I made a thread on hip hop outside North America, which has some non-English speaking songs and artists in it.

http://www.musicbanter.com/rap-hip-h...h-america.html

I'll bump that then

Dr Dre all the way

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I really like big sean. I know he talks about girls and money and all that stuff you dont like but he is really unique

Where should i start for Lil Wayne?

I would like to know this too. According to pitchfork da drought 2 seems good, but from what i've listened it wasn't great.

Wayne isn't a super strong rapper, so i need some really slick, layered beats to enjoy him.

Tha Carter III is probably the best showcase for his talents.

ok then, thank you

Looking for some jazz influenced hip-hop, like something along the lines of Nujabes and the Sound Providers.

Here's a few groups that share a similar sound to Nujabes:

The first is Kenichiro Nishihara who is the beat maker and often collaborates with emcees. It's very mellow and relaxing beats with often a jazz piano accompanying it. I've listened to two album so far, Humming Jazz (2008) and Life (2010) and both were pretty good, although I think I preferred Humming Jazz more.



The second is another Japanese beatmaker called Nomak who I don't know much about actually. I've only got his 2009 album Muziq and Foto and it was alright, but didn't do that much for me. I've heard his other stuff is better, I just haven't gotten around to listening to it. Still if you're after jazzy hip hop in lieu of Nujabes, he's definitely worth a look.




There's also a growing trend among the American underground hip hop scene to form full on bands, with guitarists, horn players, etc. to create a more jazzy sound. A few groups to check out would be:

Abstract Giants
ArtOfficial
Animate Objects
Audible Mainframe
The Roots
A Tribe Called Quest
Gang Starr

^Thanks for those suggestions, definitely loving most of them so far, especially Nishihira :)

Glad you're enjoying it.

What albums by Eminem are worth buying?

The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP.

The Eminem show isn't any good?

It has a few decent tracks but more of a download than a purchase. People overlook Infinite but its definitely a must have

Tha Carter 3 is a good album in diversified styles, but the Dedication 2 is the peak of his rapping skill and DJ Drama chooses the sickest beats for the tape. I don't know why people forget about it when Wayne comes up, I'd definitely say it overtakes C3 in overall skill put into it.

Does anyone know any songs similar to this:


Basically sad rap songs that aren't about a relationship.

New Summy Hip Hop
 

If you're looking for something to cruise in your car to that isn't some ignorant rap **** that's on the radio check out my these guys I stumbled upon yesterday check out the Rich Bros on Facebook or Youtube. My favorite song so far is their remix to Pretty Lights' Finally Moving!!

If you're looking for something to cruise in your car to that isn't some ignorant rap **** that's on the radio check out my these guys I stumbled upon yesterday check out the Rich Bros on Facebook or Youtube. My favorite song so far is their remix to Pretty Lights' Finally Moving!

I've stumbled accross a few new artists in the past week I'm really digging, check out Sam Lachow, Tom Pepe & The Knowmads.

Haven't read through the whole thread, but if you're looking for rap with substance, try;

Immortal Technique
Jedi Mind Tricks
Common
Talib Kweli
Black Thought
Mos Def
Fugees
Kool G Rap
Big Pun
Nas