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View Poll Results: today's rap, 90's, or 80's rap?
today's rap 21 26.25%
90's rap/hip hop 47 58.75%
80's rap 8 10.00%
NONE DANG IT 4 5.00%
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Old 07-30-2010, 08:19 AM   #111 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by johnny_rotter View Post
well i have to disagree with this statement. I had rap constantly passed onto me by my friends back in the day and i didn't need hindsight to know it was good. It was talented, took skill and was something fresh to listen to.

I listened to the stuff that jester posted as good examples of modern rap, and i have to say my opinion remains unchanged. The biggest problem i find with rap today is that it has become culturally clique and stale. I'm sick and tired of rapper lingo like, "yo, yo" "no what i'm sayin" "yeah, yeah, uh uh" "wut up"

how about this "yo yo, i sound like a ****ing mofo retard trying to imitate someone from 1994." rap is fake, it has become a culture of imitators with no originality. Say what you will about mc hammer, but i'de rather listen to "can't touch this" and naughty by nature's "hip hop hurray" than 50 cent's "in da club" and lil wayne's "lollipop".

I'd rather see rap change than die, but at the present moment i don't care.
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:33 AM   #112 (permalink)
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Alright, tell me which videos I posted were boring or stale.
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:54 AM   #113 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Rotter View Post
The Roots song is awesome but they have been around along time. They have always been good at sampling old school jazz and soul artists. I would like to know who they sampled there.
Really? I didn't think they were big on sampling, being a full band and all.
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Old 08-01-2010, 12:18 AM   #114 (permalink)
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If you were "never big on The Roots," don't make statements like, "oh yeah, The Roots have ALWAYS been great at sampling!"

And, uh, what the fuck? You're ignoring entire songs because you hear a little bit of slang? Christ, that's stupid. If you're going to tell me One Be Lo littered "Destiny" with overplayed lingo, (what did he say, anyway?) then there's no way you were listening. Like, you threw it on, listened to about 30 seconds with minimal attention applied and dismissed it because you want new rap to suck.

One Be Lo spits top notch lyricism; I mean, he held a three syllabic rhyme scheme through that whole song [which I doubt you noticed] with interjected alliteration and rhyming in between. His rhymes are creative, his wordplay is great.

"I'm not the hater, you're the player, I'm the referee
official, with the whistle, check out the melody
you could be the best emcee from west to east and never be celebrity
maybe when you rest in peace; let's agree,
you don't want war, you should go and be a refugee
whether comin' or goin', i'm runnin' where the rebels be"

And that's only part of it.

Black Milk... How does that beat NOT blow you away? That extraterrestrial scream and those heavy drums are beautiful. Oh, and he's a pretty fine rapper if you ask me.

"And we ain't friends, so weak nigga your show's over
eighty degrees and still give him the cold shoulder
tons of soldiers, guns and holsters
flowers and gunshowers,
guns and roses
heat feel like the sun was closer,
but the beat make you feel like the drums was boulders"

...AND you have a problem with Big Boi? WHAT? Are you not a fan of Outkast either? His new album is just so, so good; he finds the proper balance between club banger and lyrical hip hop, he's witty and his flow is unstoppable.

Finally: I'd like you to point out the overused lingo employed in the videos I posted, and I'd like you to post songs that sound like they used the same samples / sound the same. Good luck.
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Old 08-01-2010, 12:21 AM   #115 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Jester View Post
...AND you have a problem with Big Boi? WHAT? Are you not a fan of Outkast either? His new album is just so, so good; he finds the proper balance between club banger and lyrical hip hop, he's witty and his flow is unstoppable.
Eh.Speakerboxxx was super weak and his new album is mediocre.
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Old 08-01-2010, 08:28 AM   #116 (permalink)
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Uh, One Be Lo set the theme for his song, it wasn't an act of bull**** introspection. And what the hell? What kind of lingo did he use there? Because he said YO? Because he said "yo," no verse in that song counts?

You also complain that his voice isn't very gripping. I don't really see that, I like his voice. His voice has character; he comes off as someone you'd have a serious conversation with at a bus stop, he's very coolheaded but insightful. His delivery / lyricism more than makes up for that, especially considering his voice isn't bland or plain. He's very subtle, but very poignant. Honestly, you can't listen to One Be Lo and tell me he's not good at rapping.

No, no we have not heard Black Milk's sound a gazzillion times. His sound is rooted in the Detroit sonic [think J Dilla], as in thick drums and grit. If you're going to tell me Black Milk is biting, I want you to show me who he's biting. His rapping is fine; he's charismatic and authoritative, he's clever, and he's got a lot of energy.

I'm not going to defend Wiz extensively. You don't like him, fine. But he's got a great ear for beats [bullshit @ you've heard that sample a million times], and he's incredibly stylish. He's got a good way of saying things that are memorable.

Yes, I've heard all of those songs before. I love Gravediggaz and De La Soul; I don't listen to the Geto Boys as much as I should, but Scarface is awesome. [Ever heard Mr. Scarface is Back?] I don't like Spice 1 or Paris, they just seem like stripped down, less interesting versions of other gangsta rappers.

And look, you're dismissing too much over too little. You're dismissing albums and artists and styles as a whole because you're hearing A LITTLE BIT of slang that's classic to the culture. Deal with it. It's not hurting anything in the song, and I haven't seen it bother ANYONE but you.

Like I said, if anyone I posted is biting, I want to hear who they're biting.
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Old 08-01-2010, 03:21 PM   #117 (permalink)
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Panacea started in 2003, please tell me what this is "biting" or how its unoriginal.

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Old 08-08-2010, 02:27 PM   #118 (permalink)
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People tend to go for more mainstream crap these days. heh...
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:05 PM   #119 (permalink)
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I must agree with Jester on this one.
Not ALL Hip-Hop nowadays is bad. You just have to be willing to listen to it, without being biased because of what's on the radio. Of course I love the old Hip-Hop, and yes, it's changed. But it's not all bad.
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:46 PM   #120 (permalink)
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I like today's rap but i'm not picky at all these days and i do love the bumping quality of it.

I do highly appreciate Lil Wayne and Gucci Mane as artists. I also very much appreciate Yung Jeezy when he puts out his singles, same for Rick Ross (kinda). I've even found some love for Drake, even though i certainly don't think he's so talented, he's not the worst (still a good but like Wayne). I think Ghostface Killah's 2000's albums (or at least Fishscale and The Pretty Toney Album) are his finest ones, though they are all grade A stuff (i'm hoping this will save me from abuse).
One of the things I put high on my list for today's hip hop is the production quality. Kanye West does great stuff, Bangladesh is a newer one i also like, Swizz Beats, and the random singles i hear on the radio usually have pretty good beats. The only producers i can really say i like a whole lot from the 90's are RZA and The Dust Brothers. Dr. Dre is alright, i've never found him so special. Oh, but Terminator X is pretty hot in my book.

Now maybe i've become rusty on my hip hop and my taste less acquired, but i certainly don't hate today's hip hop. Maybe i wouldn't call it my all time favorite because with my time away from intense listening and critiquing and also my admittedly limited knowledge compared to some of the board members, which puts me in a position of neutrality, but as i said, i don't see anything too wrong with it. Sometimes it's stale but there's fresh qualities amongst it, especially with this turn point of an era.
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