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Old 07-21-2010, 12:34 PM   #461 (permalink)
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The Beatles were also an influence on Clapton, Baker and Bruce forming a POP band they called "the Cream". Van Halen was called Mammoth in the early 70's, and they were basically a Cream cover band. Then thy started writing their own songs, which influenced countless others, including Dimebag Darrel, who started his own band called Pantera...
Do you really consider Cream to be a pop band???

As for trying to legitimize some musical link between the Beatles and Pantera via Van Halen...........Well thats just comical!!!
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:25 PM   #463 (permalink)
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Korn or AFI
Pre-Sing the Sorrow AFI isn't bad...
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:36 PM   #464 (permalink)
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Rick Astley is from Liverpool so that negates the Beatles
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Do you really consider Cream to be a pop band???
No...but they did (Anyone For Tennis? notwithstanding.)

They named their band "the Cream" because they considered themselves awesome players, and they band they formed was going to be "the CREAM of all pop bands"

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As for trying to legitimize some musical link between the Beatles and Pantera via Van Halen...........Well thats just comical!!!
Well, there is one.

Some people are too closed-off into their boxes to see (or hear) the influence.

Beatles->Cream->Van Halen->Pantera


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Old 07-21-2010, 03:34 PM   #466 (permalink)
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No...but they did (Anyone For Tennis? notwithstanding.)

They named their band "the Cream" because they considered themselves awesome players, and they band they formed was going to be "the CREAM of all pop bands"

Duh.
Like most groups of their ilk they played some lighter easier going stuff, but Cream in essence were a blues rock group, that combined this with hard rock and psychedelic rock and played it quite loud. They were a power trio that helped influence a lot of hard rock groups in the 1970`s and even more importantly set the stage for Jimi Hendrix to do his thing in the late 60`s. They were in fact, a supergroup of already highly respected rock musicians of a blues background and by the way they are just known as Cream and not the Cream!

I also suggest you forget drawing up your concise and well thought out rock family trees and just keep it nice and basic. For example Beatles> Music or some such nonsense.....Otherwise, we`ll end up getting something totally ridiculous like Beatles> Fill in the gaps > Korn

Anyway, no charge for the brief history lesson regarding Cream, but if you feel lost again just holler away.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:42 PM   #467 (permalink)
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Some people are too closed-off into their boxes to see (or hear) the influence.

Beatles->Cream->Van Halen->Pantera

Duh.
Van Halen's pop harmonies were influenced by the Beach Boys, not the Beatles. You may remember David Lee Roth's homage to his fellow southern Californian's in his remake of "California Girls".
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:10 PM   #468 (permalink)
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it means I don't know who on that list is really from Philadelphia and who isn't.

The whole list could be a farce - that's the problem with Wiki.

It proves nothing.


weren't Cinderella from Philly?

That negates the Ojays.

Forgive me for not recognizing Philadelphia for the fertile musical hotbed that it is.
This really is quite a grudge you seem to be harboring toward Philly. I'm pretty curious about its origins. I know you mentioned something about people booing Santa or something. Are you Santa? Did those mean people hurt your feelings?

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not really; somewhere around 15 I started a musical maturation process, and pretty much quit listening to music like that.

Not sayin it doesn't have merit...but I don't like it.
Ah, so it was a musical maturation process that lead to your aggressive fellating of a band most people discover in pre-school. Intriguing.

Was the fact that you end a lot of your posts with "duh" another part of this maturation process?
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Like most groups of their ilk they played some lighter easier going stuff, but Cream in essence were a blues rock group, that combined this with hard rock and psychedelic rock and played it quite loud.
I know that.

However, at the time, those terms as applied to music (in 1966, you would find "heavy metal" at a steel foundry) weren't used.

Cream was conceived and treated as a POP band because, at that time, POP was not a genre, per se, but was a term simply applied to whatever was POPular.


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They were a power trio that helped influence a lot of hard rock groups in the 1970`s and even more importantly set the stage for Jimi Hendrix to do his thing in the late 60`s.
all except Hendrix was recording his debut in London as Fresh Cream hit the streets in late '66.

Nice try, but epic fail.


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They were in fact, a supergroup of already highly respected rock musicians of a blues background and by the way they are just known as Cream and not the Cream!
I know their background; Clapton left Mayall (whose band at the included John McVie and Mick Fleetwood); Baker and Bruce knrlew each other from their days in Graham Bond's band but didn't like each other, yadda yadda...

They were known in their natve England as The Cream.

That's what they referred to themselves as, and Jimi Hendrix called them that, too.

So I take their word over yours.

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I also suggest you forget drawing up your concise and well thought out rock family trees and just keep it nice and basic. For example Beatles> Music or some such nonsense.....Otherwise, we`ll end up getting something totally ridiculous like Beatles> Fill in the gaps > Korn

Anyway, no charge for the brief history lesson regarding Cream, but if you feel lost again just holler away.
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yeah, THAN YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT.

The Beatles influence over music, as a whole, is ever-pervasive and almost omnipotent at my point.

The reason I had the "little family tree" breakdown was to show the lineage of influence on very disparate acts.

And I'm good on my music history; I'll go toe to toe with anyone, anytime.

If you ever want to get schooled again, just holler away.

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Pre-Sing the Sorrow AFI isn't bad...
but Korn is
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