Nu Metal

Necromancer · 10-19-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

Nu metal Soundgarden? Interesting. And Slipknot shows tremendous growth between albums, so even if you outgrow the style the next will have something to offer.

Anyway, I'm sorry but I don't agree with hardly anything you have said here. First of all, the demographics are totally wrong. Nu metal artists are generally mainstream so I know many people who like the genre, both teens and adults. Most of the angst filled teenagers you are describing listen to post-hardcore these days (ex: I See Stars, Attack Attack, etc.). So you must not get out much, or Canada is vastly different, because I could literally walk down my street and disprove your chosen demographic before I hit the next road (which isn't very far). Unless my physical therapist is an angst-filled teen, of course.

Second of all, who cares who relates to the music (even if it was just angst filled teens)? There are a lot of losers that "relate" to the mostly whiny lyrics of nu metal, but there are also a lot of cool people that like it (not necessarily "relating" to it). I guess I'm confused as to what you mean by "relate". I like death metal (progressive) and black metal myself, but I'm not sure how in holy hell I could relate to it. Musically, it can be great. Lyrically...well let's just say I don't hate Jesus or people, and exploring the finality of death is unappealing.

I like your post LOLPOCALYPSE.

BastardofYoung · 10-19-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

Nu metal Soundgarden? Interesting. And Slipknot shows tremendous growth between albums, so even if you outgrow the style the next will have something to offer.

Anyway, I'm sorry but I don't agree with hardly anything you have said here. First of all, the demographics are totally wrong. Nu metal artists are generally mainstream so I know many people who like the genre, both teens and adults. Most of the angst filled teenagers you are describing listen to post-hardcore these days (ex: I See Stars, Attack Attack, etc.). So you must not get out much, or Canada is vastly different, because I could literally walk down my street and disprove your chosen demographic before I hit the next road (which isn't very far). Unless my physical therapist is an angst-filled teen, of course.

Second of all, who cares who relates to the music (even if it was just angst filled teens)? There are a lot of losers that "relate" to the mostly whiny lyrics of nu metal, but there are also a lot of cool people that like it (not necessarily "relating" to it). I guess I'm confused as to what you mean by "relate". I like death metal (progressive) and black metal myself, but I'm not sure how in holy hell I could relate to it. Musically, it can be great. Lyrically...well let's just say I don't hate Jesus or people, and exploring the finality of death is unappealing.

lol @ Slipknot showing "tremendous growth" they were always just a gimmick band.

As for Death Metal or Black Metal. Yeah, lyrics can be liek that, but it is all just part of the act. I do not think it is serious. That is the difference to me. Nu-Metal took itself totally serious. Death Metal and Black Metal... no so much. In those styles the music comes before the lyrics.. relatablity is not the same, as it is just themes. All genres have this.

But beyond that, both those styles take a great deal more talent to make. Not one Nu-Metal drummer can match a great Death Metal drummer. If Joey Jordison is the epitome of drummers in the style, I am not impressed. Incredibly average drummer, I view him the same as the kids who think Travis Barker is a good drummer in punk. Not in the slightest.

Nu-Metal is no more than just modern day emo masquerading as Metal. Always funny when I hear nu-metal fans put it down. Slipknot without distortion and screaming vocals would not be any different than any modern emo band.

BastardofYoung · 10-19-2011, 06:08 PM

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LOLPOCALYPSE · 10-19-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i like it

only the big names, though

and, oh, Deftones' debut is really boring

Around the Fur is where they got their footing

Around the Fur is actually my favorite album by Deftones.

LOLPOCALYPSE · 10-19-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

lol @ Slipknot showing "tremendous growth" they were always just a gimmick band.

As for Death Metal or Black Metal. Yeah, lyrics can be liek that, but it is all just part of the act. I do not think it is serious. That is the difference to me. Nu-Metal took itself totally serious. Death Metal and Black Metal... no so much. In those styles the music comes before the lyrics.. relatablity is not the same, as it is just themes. All genres have this.

But beyond that, both those styles take a great deal more talent to make. Not one Nu-Metal drummer can match a great Death Metal drummer. If Joey Jordison is the epitome of drummers in the style, I am not impressed. Incredibly average drummer, I view him the same as the kids who think Travis Barker is a good drummer in punk. Not in the slightest.

Nu-Metal is no more than just modern day emo masquerading as Metal. Always funny when I hear nu-metal fans put it down. Slipknot without distortion and screaming vocals would not be any different than any modern emo band.

I don't know how you could make the assumption that Nu Metal bands took themselves seriously...I just have no idea how you could know that. Not that it matters, and I'm not sure why you brought it up. Even if they did take themselves seriously, at least they have some degree of passion. The end product is the only thing that matters, and while most of it totally blows, there are some good acts.

If you don't like Slipknot because they are "gimmicky", I'm not sure how you could stand death metal and black metal. Those genres are gimmicks in their entirety. I'm not saying that this is bad thing. I like those genres myself. But your argument doesn't hold up there. You said it yourself "...it is all just part of the act. I do not think it is serious." You are right. It probably isn't. This is the problem I have with the elitists of these genres. Death metal is about being brutal for the sake of being brutal. The lyrics merely reflect this. (except for Opeth and Gojira and other progressive bands)

The talent issue I can understand in most cases. But you must understand that the style of nu metal (one which you don't like, which is fine) isn't made for technical playing. Not to say that it is impossible, but the syncopated beats and hip-hop influence in general make it very difficult and for the most part unnecessary. And talent certainly isn't measurable by how technical a band is. Otherwise mathcore would have the most talent out there, and I doubt you would agree with that. Joey Jordison is above average (no, not the best) but may be very average if judged by the criteria of a different genre. One other thing I'd like to address is that there are a lot of incredibly skillful musicians within the nu metal genre, but for the sake of their respective band's sound, they don't let it show on releases. For instance, Wes Borland is considered a virtuoso guitarist in his own right, but you wouldn't know that if all you heard was his work with Limp Bizkit (an example of one of nu metal's worst bands IMO).

Unrelated to all this, Corey Taylor is an incredibly talented artist IMO.

LOLPOCALYPSE · 10-19-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

I like your post LOLPOCALYPSE.

Thanks

BastardofYoung · 10-19-2011, 08:04 PM

"Death metal is about being brutal for the sake of being brutal."

lol? ... this reflects maybe 15% of the style as a whole. Mainly the brutal death metal acts. Not all Death Metal is about the brutality. Listen to Cianide or Bolt Thrower..

Wes Borland is probably the most talent the style has bred, but even he admits to him not liking the band he is in. Big Dumb Face was okay for a wannabe Ween group though.

Anyways, I already admited in that post that all styles of music are gimmicky. All revolve around some sort of theme. But I prefer the themes of extreme metal to nu-metal, which was too whiny and complaining for me.

Howard the Duck · 10-19-2011, 08:07 PM

i dunno

i think music fans tend to be prejudicial

if you just open up your mind, Slipknot and Linkin Park can be pretty invigorating (well, Linkin Park's bookend albums anyway, i don't like the stuff in the middle much)

LOLPOCALYPSE · 10-19-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i dunno

i think music fans tend to be prejudicial

if you just open up your mind, Slipknot and Linkin Park can be pretty invigorating (well, Linkin Park's bookend albums anyway, i don't like the stuff in the middle much)

I agree with half of that statement

But Linkin Park do have a trademark sound, and at least they've shown changes over their careers

LOLPOCALYPSE · 10-19-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

But I prefer the themes of extreme metal to nu-metal, which was too whiny and complaining for me.

There we go. And trust me, I'm not a fan or defender of nu metal. I just don't like when Slipknot gets shoveled in with the rest of the garbage.

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BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	"Death metal is about being brutal for the sake of being brutal." lol? ... this reflects maybe 15% of the style as a whole. Mainly the brutal death metal acts. Not all Death Metal is about the brutality. Listen to Cianide or Bolt Thrower.. Wes Borland is probably the most talent the style has bred, but even he admits to him not liking the band he is in. Big Dumb Face was okay for a wannabe Ween group though. Anyways, I already admited in that post that all styles of music are gimmicky. All revolve around some sort of theme. But I prefer the themes of extreme metal to nu-metal, which was too whiny and complaining for me. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.