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Old 03-20-2013, 07:09 PM   #41 (permalink)
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You guys can be like a bunch of religious zealots when it comes to this Metallica thing. I am probably one of the biggest fans of the band here, with many others claiming them to be subpar to many other metal acts. But then everyone wants to put down an album because it's different than the others before it. I get that, really I do, but I cannot accept the blatant stupidity that gets thrown around because it isn't a thrash album.

Look at Death Magnetic for modern day thrash. That's what we could have gotten instead of the Black Album, and I for one am glad that they had at least one more great album in them that was journeying towards where their style and vocal maturity was heading. Before we got something that was trying to reenter their old territory, a realm in which they would have been smart in throwing in the towel. I look at the Black Album as their last really great album. My favorite Metallica album? Helk no! That'd be Kill 'Em All. As Fred Hale Sr. was so apt in mentioning.

But to put down the Black Album because it wasn't a conventional choice? It's loaded with great material. Don't Tread On Me, Of Wolf and Man, The Struggle Within, Sad But True, The God That Failed, Through the Never, etc.

No, it's not thrash, I can agree with that. But it's as near a masterpiece as you can get once you look at the changes and possibilities of where they could have gone with it: Death Magnetic, now that's the failure...
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Old 03-20-2013, 07:52 PM   #42 (permalink)
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But then everyone wants to put down an album because it's different than the others before it. I get that, really I do, but I cannot accept the blatant stupidity that gets thrown around because it isn't a thrash album.
That's a rather blanket statement to make.
I prefer to take things on an individual basis. Some bands can do different things and pull it off, some bands can't.

I could give you plenty of reasons why I'm not the slightest bit interested in Metallica these days, the main one being that I'm not 14 years old any more and I like my music to consist of a bit more than some chuggy riffs & some guy singing 'yeaaahhhhhh'.

If I listen to Metallica it's out of nostalgia for the first 3 albums, after that they just bored me and I grew up.
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:06 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Well, hold on now.
I admit that if you only listen to Metallica or metal in general, your enjoyment and appreciation of music could be limited.
Thankfully we have also acts like Joy Division and Brian Eno with their own unique perspectives on music, and that’s great.
However there are times when you just want to rock out and listen to something energetic and snappy.
And in that case Metallica and fits the bill perfectly.
Last thing, the lyrics of Metallica’s fourth Album …And Justice for all were probably the smartest and most political of their entire career.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:16 PM   #44 (permalink)
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That's a rather blanket statement to make.
What exactly does that mean?

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I prefer to take things on an individual basis. Some bands can do different things and pull it off, some bands can't.
So, what you are saying is that Metallica didn't pull of a purely rock slash heavy-non-thrash-metal record?

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I could give you plenty of reasons why I'm not the slightest bit interested in Metallica these days, the main one being that I'm not 14 years old any more and I like my music to consist of a bit more than some chuggy riffs & some guy singing 'yeaaahhhhhh'.
Yes, but that statement is neither here nor there. We're talking about genre and genre bending and breaking. Not whether you're now into that kind of thing, but whether it was successful and or good or not.


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If I listen to Metallica it's out of nostalgia for the first 3 albums, after that they just bored me and I grew up.
So, are you saying that every Metallica fan that happens to really feel this music and listens to it more often than not is inferior to those who only listen to them when in that mood? Or are you stating that you don't like Load and reLoad and the rest after those? Because if you are saying that they bored you as their musical inspiration and influence changed, then you are for their rawer sound, and therefor don't like it when they expanded their craft into an entirely different realm of music?

I think that Metallica's fans can be quite immature, because if it isn't old school all the way or no way then it's no way, hence my finding it stupid to put down an album just because it was a little, or a lot, different. I suppose the Black Album was merely meant for real Metallica fans And I guess that I just get it...maybe on more level than you are willing to get. This is getting too philosophical...
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I suppose the Black Album was merely meant for real Metallica fans And I guess that I just get it...maybe on more level than you are willing to get. This is getting too philosophical...
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If I listen to Metallica it's out of nostalgia for the first 3 albums, after that they just bored me and I grew up.
Yeah, you're totally off base, Urban.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:20 PM   #46 (permalink)
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so are metallica making a new record .... ?????
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:18 AM   #47 (permalink)
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so are metallica making a new record .... ?????
Who cares? As a great, big Metallica fan, I don't anymore; they just aren't good enough to warrent anything more than a free listen.

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Old 03-23-2013, 03:15 AM   #48 (permalink)
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You guys can be like a bunch of religious zealots when it comes to this Metallica thing. I am probably one of the biggest fans of the band here, with many others claiming them to be subpar to many other metal acts. But then everyone wants to put down an album because it's different than the others before it. I get that, really I do, but I cannot accept the blatant stupidity that gets thrown around because it isn't a thrash album.

Look at Death Magnetic for modern day thrash. That's what we could have gotten instead of the Black Album, and I for one am glad that they had at least one more great album in them that was journeying towards where their style and vocal maturity was heading. Before we got something that was trying to reenter their old territory, a realm in which they would have been smart in throwing in the towel. I look at the Black Album as their last really great album. My favorite Metallica album? Helk no! That'd be Kill 'Em All. As Fred Hale Sr. was so apt in mentioning.

But to put down the Black Album because it wasn't a conventional choice? It's loaded with great material. Don't Tread On Me, Of Wolf and Man, The Struggle Within, Sad But True, The God That Failed, Through the Never, etc.

No, it's not thrash, I can agree with that. But it's as near a masterpiece as you can get once you look at the changes and possibilities of where they could have gone with it: Death Magnetic, now that's the failure...
I agree with a lot of this. Bitching because a band changes style is so overdone and formulaic.

They made four thrash metal albums where they overdubbed just about everything. So they changed things up a bit, both sound and production method, who wouldn't? And it just so happens that became their biggest seller .. good production too and, I think, interesting to hear them so capable of doing something else. Is that so bad? Get over it already!

Sometimes I think people just wanna have the cool non-mainstream opinion (Black Album sucks) rather than an honest one (it doesn't really).
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I agree with a lot of this. Bitching because a band changes style is so overdone and formulaic.

They made four thrash metal albums where they overdubbed just about everything. So they changed things up a bit, both sound and production method, who wouldn't? And it just so happens that became their biggest seller .. good production too and, I think, interesting to hear them so capable of doing something else. Is that so bad? Get over it already!

Sometimes I think people just wanna have the cool non-mainstream opinion (Black Album sucks) rather than an honest one (it doesn't really).
Or maybe some people just don't like the black album. I don't like Kill 'Em All but I don't think people who like it are just pretending so they'll look cool.
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I hate ....And Justice For All more than the black album.

For years I thought most people felt that way. I was genuinely shocked to discover that not only do people like that turd of an album but consider it one of their best.
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