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View Poll Results: Tony Iommi or Jimmy Page?
Tony Iommi 50 41.67%
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:00 PM   #321 (permalink)
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Yeah, it's a fact that "Ki doesn't feel that Jimmy Page is one of the 10 best guitarists." No argument about that.

"Jimmy Page isn't one of the 10 best guitarists" isn't a fact though.
I never said this.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:03 PM   #322 (permalink)
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I never said this.
I wasn't quoting you there. The quotation marks are a convention to set off an example proposition we're talking about.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:04 PM   #323 (permalink)
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I wasn't quoting you there. The quotation marks are a convention to set off an example proposition we're talking about.
Than that negates your entire argument where you think i'm stating facts, when one of your examples was that of something I never said, hence you denying you believing I'm stating anything factual.
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I wasn't quoting you there. The quotation marks are a convention to set off an example proposition we're talking about.
Wait, is this an opinion or is it a fact? You need to clarify.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:07 PM   #325 (permalink)
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Than that negates your entire argument where you think i'm stating facts, when one of your examples was that of something I never said, hence you denying you believing I'm stating anything factual.
Again, some of your statements would make zero semantic sense if you didn't believe that there were facts about what counts as good or bad guitar playing, at least to some extent--including that you literally said things like, "Not everything (about assessing guitar playing) is open to interpretation."
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Wait, is this an opinion or is it a fact? You need to clarify.
Each sentence there (the extension of each sentence, that is) is a fact. ;-)
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If I had the opportunity to do as many takes as Page did, I'd be able to do pretty much anything.

I'm with Ki: while he's pretty ****ing good, calling Page one of the greatest either means that you grew up with his dick in your mouth or you're ignorant of most other guitarists. I'm down with calling Bonham one of the greatest though. He drove the band more than Page did, imo.
It's well known and been validated by the engineer who was in the studio that Page improvised 3 different solos on the spot and then chose the best one for the album.

Agreed on Bonham. If you notice on Zep live clips, whenever it was time for Page to take a solo he'd move right in front of Bonham's kick drum so he could play off of it.
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Each sentence there is a fact. ;-)
Now is this a fact or an opinion?`
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It's well known and been validated by the engineer who was in the studio that Page improvised 3 different solos on the spot and then chose the best one for the album.
That's two more takes than I've ever done.
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Again, some of your statements would make zero semantic sense if you didn't believe that there were facts about what counts as good or bad guitar playing, at least to some extent--including that you literally said things like, "Not everything (about assessing guitar playing) is open to interpretation."
There are facts about what makes a good or bad guitar player, which helps me form my opinion about Jimmy Page which again...has been my entire point this whole time.
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